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God and Government: tell us what you think!

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Posted by Rex, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 1:39:09 PM
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Rex,
Education on sex does not reduce abortion in Australia. The trainee Nurses and Medical students in Australia have higher insidence of abortion per head of population than the general population. Fear of pregnancy is reduced because of the ready availability of abortion proceedures. I have family in the Medical Faternity who report this.
Posted by Philo, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 3:55:22 PM
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"Humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God"

Such are the words in the pre-amble of our constitution.

These words refer to the God of Judao Christian history.

When the constitution further says government can make no law to promote or hinder any "RELIGION" the context clearly means 'Christian Denomination'. Why ? obviously due to the large numbers of Irish and English in our population and the Catholic/Protestant history and associated wars.

I believe the government has a historical and social responsibility to ENSURE that our social fabric is not torn apart by the intrusion of Oil Money funded Islamization in the form of:

-Islamic Education
-HUUUUUUGE Mosques (40,000 Worshippers in UK)

If the Muslim community could be trusted to respect the will and feelings of the Australian community, this would not be such a worry.

but the blatant "IN YOUR FACE YOU RACIST SKIPPIES" attitide of Muslims in the Baulkam Hills prayer centre issue, along with the "We will use your laws against you no matter HOW you feel about it"
show a different story.
and

IF.... the Islamic Council was not trying to impose Sharia Law on Christian Pastors in Melbourne through the courts....

IF ...we did not have 13 Muslims in Melbourne, 9 in Sydney on comittal/Trial for Terrorism activities and one just jailed for seeking to blow up our Electrical grid.

IF ...they were not trying to alter our laws re burial, stamp duty and food preferences...

IF... we did not experience bashing of Australian icons, the burning and spitting on our flag and racist 'territory claims' in Cronulla by Muslims..

Then perhaps there would be no need to have concern. But the converse is the reality today.

So, a purely secular government would be forced to allow such things but the story goes "The chains which bind the hardest, are the ones we make ourselves" and once bound.... where is freedom ?

The best place for God... is in OUR hearts and minds. Then, our government will reflect this. Governments cannot place God in our hearts, but WE, can install Governments
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 24 August 2006 8:22:47 AM
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It is a sign that the system is out of control that these questions need to be asked at all.

Simply stated, we have lost sight of what we want "government" to do for us.

Today, it would appear that the majority of punters see government as some kind of benevolent guardian, ready and able to rush to our aid every time we scrape our knee in the playground, or to come to our defence when we complain that Scroggs Minor took our lunch.

Our expectations are somehow boundless.

We want to be protected from invasion by Johnny Foreigner, but also think it is ok to rush off into someone else's playground to beat them up when we feel like it.

We want all criminals behind bars. Forever. Except when it is that Johnny Foreigner who convicts them, because their system is by definition corrupt.

We want lower taxes, of course. But we don't have the faintest idea where our present taxes are being spent either, and are apparently happy for the government to avoid any responsibility to tell us when we ask.

Government has evolved over the years into an innately corrupt institution that makes rules for itself that apply only to itself. It is self-perpetuating, and highly protective of the privileges it affords itself.

Religion in this context is just another of the many vested interests that individuals in positions of power are allowed to maintain, and to affect their decisions. It could equally be property interests, or casino interests, or any one of a laundry list of special pleadings.

The likelihood in these times that a politician or company director might say "I have a vested interest in the outcome of this vote, so my conscience tells me I should abstain" is, regrettably, nil.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 24 August 2006 9:26:43 AM
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"Education on sex does not reduce abortion in Australia. The trainee Nurses and Medical students in Australia have higher insidence of abortion per head of population than the general population. Fear of pregnancy is reduced because of the ready availability of abortion proceedures"

Ah Philo, you raise that old chesnut yet once again! I think its
been shown time and time again, that good sex education, as in
say Holland, in fact does decrease both the abortion rate and
teen birth rate. Australia's sex education certainly cannot be
regarded as "high standard", too many objections from religious
nuts.

What we do know about the Christian Taliban is that they are hoping
that if abortion were not available, then fear of pregnancy would
be a reason to not have sex, if women refuse to keep their
legs together for Jesus.

Perhaps the real problem is the really weird and warped attitudes
that the Godsquad have about sex. If they think that sex before
marriage is so evil, why don't they just come out and say so and
propose to make it illegal. The community can then vote on it
and they'll see how far they get.
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 24 August 2006 9:48:33 AM
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WE STAND AT A CROSSROADS....TODAY.

3 Judges are deliberating on the Catch the Fire 'vilification' case.

At issue is TRUTH....

The defense has argued as follows:

"The tribunal has found there is something wrong with saying it. Truth is not a defence, it's irrelevant to contravention of the act."

Note the point "Truth" is not a defense !
Would someone mind telling me when 'TRUTH' ceased to be a defense ?

"Do you promise to tell the TRUTH, the WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING BUT...THE TRUTH..SO HELP YOU GOD" ?

We stand on the edge of a dark age..... if 'TRUTH' is ruled out of order.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/questions-over-ruling-on-muslims/2006/08/22/1156012542812.html

So, what should government do ? CHUCK OUT THE RRT 2001 ! Thats what.

The defense claims that this truth vilified Muslims and the 'overall context' must be taken into account.......

WHAT ABOUT THE OVERALL CONTEXT in which Christians were urged to LOVE Muslims ? Is that part of the 'context' ?

This shows how close we are to SHARIA LAW being imposed via the EOC and RRT to Australia.

You can be sure of one thing, I WILL be standing outside some key places with some response to this, and I will invite them to sue me.

And Jesus said..."WOE to you Lawyers, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 24 August 2006 9:30:20 PM
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