its already too long..to post on the topic
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

for egsample..The Quran says:
"We have issued two seas..that never mingle with one another >>

ie good/vile...

but back to the last link..
line 9

Satan is..*unable to touch anybut his own
..but*..he may tempt..a weak heart..weak will
ie when..one is ONLY..making half heart-ed attempt [to do good]

<<..9 The devil said to Allah:
I shall certainly come upon them..from before them
and from behind them;..and from their right..and from their left;
and Thou wilt not find..*most of them*..thankful ..(Holy Qur-an 7:17)...?

them=good's servants
next..from same link
http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk55.htm

<<..46 My people..*must know the truth,>>
[good=god..not good =not of god]
<<the Gods truth --.the time>>
goodlyness..<<.is at hand!>

They are reared..and taught
by..devils and they know it not;
and being ignorant of the truth,..They offer opposition..to the God even of their salvation,

Who is the very author of..ALL* Truth.>>

ie ONLY truth..
[good/truth][godly truth]
not the vile..feigning..to be the only true

BOTH..quotes..from

http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk55.htm

regardless sura 55 is revealing
http://www.islamicity.com/quran/55.htm

anyhow back to surah 7..satans fall

he was
*SPECICILY..talking..of gods servants
[them!][as in..you will know them..by their works]

<<..[Satan]said, "Because You have put me in error,
I will surely sit*..in wait for them..[your servants]..on Your straight path.>>

<<..16. He said:.."Because thou hast.thrown me..
out of the way,..lo! I will lie*..in wait for them*,
[YOUR SERVANTS]..[ie good/servants]..on thy straight way:..>>

<<....7:16 He said: Now,..because Thou hast sent me astray,
verily I shall lurk*..in ambush for them* on Thy Right Path...>>

it paINS ME ..
THAT I CANT FIND
A CORRECT TRANSLATION
THAT CLEARLy reveals..*them..
refers to the un-fallen angels..[in this case only]

its a key bit to leave out.
WHO..is them/where/when?...

what is..in my translation..[nj dawood]
reads more clear..but hasnt made it on to the NET/web*..yet

[nyet?]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N._J._Dawood
<<Dawood rearranged the chapters
(suras) into more-or-less chronological order,
as to make it easier to determine..which verses are abrogated.

<<N.J. Dawood is perhaps the only Jew to have translated the Qur'an into English.
Available in the Penguin edition, Dawood's translation,

<<The Koran (London, 1956) is perhaps the most widely circulated
non-Muslim English translation of the Qur'an.>>..

he has been judged..too harshly

<<The author's bias..against Islam
is readily observable in the Introduction.

Apart form adopting an unusual Sura order in his translation,
Dawood is guilty also of having mistranslated the Qur'an in places
such as Baqara II:9 and A'raf VII:31, etc.>>

http://www.soundvision.com/info/quran/english.asp
<<No doubt, the peculiar circumstances of history
which brought the Qur'an..into contact with the English language
have left their imprint on the non-Muslim..as well as the Muslim bid to translate it.

The results and achievements..of their efforts leave a lot to be desired>>


<<Later editions restored..the traditional sequence
of publishing the surahs..in order of length>>

anyhow them=gods messengers
know thy masters voice..if its not good,..its not of god

read surah 7..
re satans fall..[thus too..our own]
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/noframes/ch7.html

.

ps i know the catholic bible?..has some extra writers..not included in other sects/creeds translations

if i had menory..in mind..i would will to find..them..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=missing+bible+text
http://archive.org/stream/LostBooksOfTheBible/LostBooksOfTheBible_djvu.txt

but the flesh..needs a tweak....
as my will is weak

The bloke that added the extra books wasn't even a Catholic. I think he was the Bishop of Rome then and there were 2 Popes at either end of the Mediterranean. Leo was one I think.
I wasn't the greatest theological student then or now.

dear peter
please note..guidence is needed

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5984&page=0

idont know this stuff
thats your speciality

thanks chris

we all*..
have a bit..of the secret
but one..has more power..here

here i put up
a link to your topic here

will you deney him..too?
if he dare come?..back to where he ran from?

i wrote him..<<..[im putting..loving pressure..on him..>

you
the three peters!

asking you..3..

..<<to forget big words..
and just to speak..>>..or simply show your listening..[care]

<<..under law..notice to servant..via [peter]
is notice to master..unto..[the two peters]

he should reply..
your informative info
in fact i will repost this at HIS thread
to reveal his duty to truth/clarity/charity..etc

<<I think he was the Bishop of Rome
then..>>see previous post

but mate..i dont know creed stuff
just guided to..what to know/learn or quote

<<..and there were 2 Popes..>>

funny how we again..now
got two popes too>>>

if not listening..with your heart
listen to chris..father

please give answer
sir

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page0

by johannine

sorry..about the mixed reply chris

i wrote this first
then edited it..to repost it at peters..thread

here was my reply..to you

thanks chris

we all*..
have a bit..of the secret
but one..has more power..here

here i put up
a link ..to peters thread

i wrote to you..
<<..[im putting..loving pressure..on him..>

to forget big words..
and just to speak...or simply show your listening..[care]

he should reply..
your informative info

in fact i will repost this at HIS thread
to reveal his duty to truth/clarity/charity..etc

<<I think he was the Bishop of Rome
then..>>see previous post

but mate..i dont know creed stuff
just guided to..what to know/learn or quote

<<..and there were 2 Popes..>>

funny how we again..now
got two popes too..

sorry its messy
but again..thanks for the info

its futile to expect
petersimon..any message

never the less

as i run out of posts..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15467&page=0

where..poirot
I'd be interested..in what you..[peter sells]..think of this:

http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/Poirot4/media/fc6e26aa.jpg.html

It's a drawing
I did in for a friend
to render his ideas in image.

It's not *to the glory of God.

More,..it's a rendering of man's conundrum>>

peters connumdrumb?

<..-his reality
amidst his ideas.>>

anyhow from..mmory
[be-cause the page froze..to a blank screen]

it looked like a completely empty vatican..library
that shows the last pope..reading the creed..out of the one and only book..[left]..in the labraty..to wit..his own bookof life[anyhow thats what i seee

so much imagery..left unsaid
its simple-ness..[of the firm/hand line drawing]..reminds me of etchings

we must exchange etching/scratchings some time

anyhow..my pleasure awaits
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

hoping my job got dun
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0

it turned out god did use a special..language
that of the simple confounding..the wise

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15341&page=0

and of course
the sleeping watchmen

continued from
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15467&page=0

poirot..said..
regardingher worthy work..of heart-art

<<..I would consider..it "art", because..
there is a message..beyond its imagery.

Make of it what you will,
it's designed to make you think.. but more on man's condition methinks..than any truth regarding God..>>..

mate..>>
its great*

i got some great pictures
like the church..i..love 'imagery'