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Greens Nose Dive

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/greens-biggest-losers-poll
First any mention of any party by any one is seen as bias.
Well yes I am biased, who of us is not.
But can we leave our bias in the bucket at the door and talk about the true feelings we think this country holds about that party?
The link tells us about a big fall in green vote in its very heartland.
I based not on my bias but on the great hurt and pain a hung parliament has given Australia, and the resulting views, not of Liberals but the left of center voters, agree they are in trouble.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 10 August 2013 7:23:46 AM
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They deserve to loose every seat they have, there blind policy to refugees does not reflect the concerns of the majority of Australian citizens.

To want to support them is okay but to open the floodgates is absurd, to release all in detention is also a recipe for future disaster.

Personally I hope they do loose every seat.
Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 10 August 2013 12:37:59 PM
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A soufflé never rises twice.

This one turned out to be a dog’s breakfast. So the dog threw up and the Greens are trying to sell what’s left!

It’s all down to the same thing, preferences and the total “other” voting patterns.

Current betting has the Greens favorites to win NO seats in the reps.
Posted by spindoc, Saturday, 10 August 2013 1:18:19 PM
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spindoc at least, understands only 4 seats are in peril in this election.
3 in the Senate, only half Senate election , and the seat Liberal preferences gifted them, in Melbourne their only lower house seat.
I wanted to explore a deeper reason the Greens face a turbulent future.
About 5 years ago, Bob Brown and his party seemed to reach for the stars.
While disenchantment with Labor, the only party the Greens could work with, seemed promising for Greens.
They seemed to think, unwisely, voters actuality came to them as a home, not a protest vote.
Current polling, and the fact the seat of most concern to Greens is the South Australian Senate one, held by their co leader, is telling.
Australians for the most part are fixed voters, knowing from one election to the next who they will vote for.
The small party,s and swinging votes make up not more than 20%
We will see rage, directed against the Greens, here as is the case in the real world.
Rage however not at those making up that party but the policy,s they push, knowing they will never get to implement them.
Folly for any party to gain power *nine Senate seats* and use it only to stop the wishes of most voters.
Much the same can be said about any small party.
But in the case of the greens policy,s presented turn more away than it brings to them.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 10 August 2013 5:28:45 PM
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For the Greens to appeal to intelligent voters they'll need more policies rather than just "let all the boat people in".
Posted by individual, Saturday, 10 August 2013 6:24:22 PM
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<< They deserve to loose every seat they have, there blind policy to refugees does not reflect the concerns of the majority of Australian citizens. >>

Too right Philip.

They most definitely deserve to crash and burn.

But what a crying shame it is. We so desperately need a strong environmental/sustainability-oriented party!

The Greens should be it, but they have so badly missed their true calling!

Both Bob Brown and Christine Milne have honourable environmental-activist histories, but totally lost their way with this damn asylum-seeker business!

And they never really had a strong sense of sustainability, which is most unfortunate and very hard to understand from such environmentally passionate people!

Two very different policy positions would have won them a great deal of support, and would have changed the political landscape in this country enormously for the better.

These are:

1. Stopping the boats, upholding strong border-protection and concentrating (and increasing) our humanitarian efforts through our formal refugee/immigration intake and our international aid programs and

2. Espousing a sustainable Australia as being the MOST IMPORTANT thing that we should be striving to achieve, starting off with progressive cuts in immigration so that we can head towards a sustainable population as soon as we reasonably can.


The Greens need to very seriously look at themselves. I think that if they did these two things they would be able to resurrect themselves from a fate close to that of the Democrats, and rise to become one of the major parties, and to even hold government in their own right.
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 10 August 2013 7:37:03 PM
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