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Does Australia need to kick-start Republican Debate?
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Posted by Saltpetre, Friday, 16 August 2013 10:36:51 PM
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Dear Saltpetre,
Thank You for your kind words. I always enjoy reading your posts. Framing a new national discussion on this issue will take time and when there is bipartisan leadership and political will, we will be ready for an important national discussion. See you on another thread. Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 17 August 2013 12:06:10 PM
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No model seriously proposed is superior to what is already in place.
Priorities and cost. For the foreseeable future, any change will not reduce and could likely increase, disputation over the 'isms' in Australia. Last time the Labor government proposed a head of State that it would be doing the nominating. A sinecure for knifed ex-PMs and an opportunity to make politically correct statements? Julia Whatshername or someone like her in the top job? Differing motivations drive the debate. Some with nasty secondary agendas, which can be as simple as hatred of 'whites'. Whatever 'whites' are, but in the code of the usual suspects that would be people from the UK. The election can't come quickly enough. The new government and Parliament must focus on the big issues confronting Australia. There has been an election campaign that has occupied nigh on a year of Parliament's time. Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 17 August 2013 3:38:52 PM
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Today there are some Australians who still adhere
to the inflammatory opinions of right-wing commentators like Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt and Paul Sheehan. They strongly believe that "Australian culture" will be lost if "Australians" do not unite and re-claim the national space. To them the phrase, "Love it or leave it," indicates assimilating to "Australian culture." This is not straighforward to interpret, let alone implement. For instance, what is Australian culture? And why talk only on the discrimination of "white" Australians? We have many other minorities in this country beginning with our Indigenous Australians. The question of whether Australia should become a republic is more imperative today than it was thirteen years ago. The popular use of the phrase, "love it or leave it!" indicates the current inequality between Australians. As it stands, continuing to accept a British monarch as our head of state and failing to declare an inclusive republic contributes to the legitimisation of these narrow-minded attitudes. We need our own - present-day identity to be recognised - in order for the current and future Australians to move towards a more inclusive and egalitarian society. Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 18 August 2013 11:45:48 AM
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Lexi,
I didn't get past the first sentence of your opening paragraph. It is a shameless plagiarism from an online book with at least one writer associated with your over-used leftie site, IA. http://tinyurl.com/lhg828x This remains a parallel discussion. At no stage have you made any effort at all to answer any of the opposing arguments put by other posters. That is also how you progressed your 'discussion' threads on gay marriage for example: no discussion, just a barrage of bumpf from activists who agree with you. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 18 August 2013 2:07:40 PM
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Dear OTB,
When you cut and paste from one source - it is described as "plagiarism." When you cut and paste from several it is regarded as "research." I did not go to any Independent Australia site online. As a matter of fact - I have fully acknowledged my use of the book - "Project Republic: Plans and Arguments for a New Australia." And, I have recommended it as being a real eye-opener. I have quoted from it in great length - because it does present a wide variety of opinions - which other posters have appreciated. I have tried to respond to as many postings on this thread as I could. Including to many of your own. Once I realised again - that you were not really interested in a discussion at all. That you were interested in only your usual rants and anti-Labor bleats. I stopped both reading and responding to you. Why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to respond to an illogical, abusive, and weak poster. You've also got the annoying habit of imposing your assumptions regarding other people's opinions on every discussion that you try to get into. It's gotten to the point that patient as I usually try to be - I find that I an not interested in inter-acting with you, and I would prefer not to do so in the future. I am used to a higher bar in discussions - and I prefer to keep them at a professional level. Cheers. Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 18 August 2013 2:43:56 PM
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Very well said. Thank you.
I agree with you.
Aus will move to a republic in good time, and the right way.
No radicalism, no recriminations, only good faith, and by the well considered will of the people.
In due course we will need the right sort of parliament, in bipartisan agreement, to put the right plan forward, for our collective consideration.
No haste, no bumbling or confusion; a clear plan and a clear path toward a clear consensus.
Thank you Lexi, for an interesting and illuminating discussion.