spindoc - Sorry to disappoint you but if you go back I stayed away from your "Big Oil" comments.

To quote you further "why can’t you argue your position rather than offering proselytized narratives?" I think you should be directing that to Hasbeen who could only come into the thread with sarcasm.

By your comments you try to set your self apart as the intellectual savior, try to remember people are different and don't all follow what you think should be the method of how a subject is debated.

Hi Philip,

So you stayed away from “big oil” comments?

Like this one you mean?

<< The only problem with oil alternatives is the big oil companies will buy the patent and company doing the research and then sit on anything that will effect there PROFITS >>.

Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 4 August 2013 1:24:49 PM

<< To quote you further "why can’t you argue your position rather than offering proselytized narratives?" I think you should be directing that to Hasbeen who could only come into the thread with sarcasm >>.

But I didn’t ask hasbeen, I asked you!

There, now you are free to argue YOUR case.

You cannot disappoint me because you are too predictable. We can all see that you will never argue your case because you don’t have one. It’s not about intellect Philip, it’s about a cogent case for debate to substantiate opinion.

Over to you.

spindoc - Trying to link two different things to make yourself out to be intellectually superior FAILED, you and Bazz were having a discussion about "shale oil" unless you are blind you will see I stayed away from that.

Later a comment was made regarding "oil alternatives" that is where I came in and it was in relation to suppressing technology.

To Quote you "Like I said to Bazz, interrogate a closed source you get a closed answer and end up with a closed mind." I thought this forum was intended to allow debate on subjects, appears like you use it for the purpose of as you put it "interrogation" you don't want debate you only want people who agree with you.

Therefore you are closed minded to what others have to say.

Further to quote you "Just wondering if you or Bazz followed the link to the current research?" What you are doing is using others research and opinions as your you whole argument rather than formulate your own opinion. What evidence do you have that all the links you provide have the correct data, remember the Global warming research that was later debunked by emails released from the researchers email accounts.

To quote you again "When you have an opinion that is based on an opinion generated by someone else, obtained via a web link or an adopted ideology, you end up not being able to substantiate your position because you never worked it out for yourself in the first place." That is an interesting one it implies therefore that others links and research are wrong BUT the ones you put up are RIGHT because that is exactly what you do use others information.

spindoc - Quote "You cannot disappoint me because you are too predictable. We can all see that you will never argue your case because you don’t have one."

That so describes YOU if anyone reads your posts they are rarely yours just loads of links to others research, which when not posting links you try to defend by claiming the other people have "closed minds"

Yes dear Philip,

So where is your rebuttal?

You can duck and weave as much as you like, you can go for volume, quantity or rhetoric but it still doesn’t constitute a case. All those words about how you “feel”, but nothing about what you “think”, absolutely no content.

Like I said “We can all see that you will never argue your case because you don’t have one”.

Lots of words, two posts and heaps of cut and paste but nothing, zilch, zero. Just an angry, petulant, juvenile, confused, excuse ridden pseudo-ideologue.

Man up and give us your case. Surely it can’t be that hard for something you feel so passionately about?

Please show me I’m wrong.

spindoc - To quote you "You can duck and weave as much as you like"
That sounds like what you are doing at the moment.

It also appears that you have nothing to say but reply with sarcasm.

Also I notice you have no opinion of you own rather you use others as your own.

Sarcasm the lowest form of wit.