individual,

Well I did enjoy the Australian Defence Association "tearing" into Mr Abbott's fiendishly clever plan yesterday - so that's a start.

And I enjoyed Morrison's line that "It isn't a military campaign - it's a military-led campaign."

(?)

That was good.

So our political stage is getting more like a Punch and Judy show by the day - and just as amusing. ( if you like slapstick)

Poirot, no it has not pushed you to the right.
And it has not pushed may be 25% to the right.
But what it has done is remind us maths rules who wins elections.
On this matter, suck it up, because it is true!
Howard won elections.
Labor under Gillard very nearly lost this and the next two.
Like it or lump it my reasons above are near this country,s true views.
And like it or not, much of the hate generated by the greens wish to control our country,s migration and refugee policy,s, if unanswered, will destroy more than one party.
The true focus should be on this.
Can an Abbott government, having rejected or stopped every Labor attempt to stop the flow actually stop them .
Should Australia find the truth pre election Tony Abbott wants them to continue, he will lead his party over a cliff.

Poirot, you just don't get it do you, all this arguing about who's right or who's wrong IS ONLY BECAUSE your beloved Mr Rudd, in all his wisdom ABOLISHED a perfectly functioning system.

All Mr Abbott is trying to do is come up with a solution to a problem that is not of his making.

All you and your labor mates can do is bag him for it.

Talk about hypocrites!

........I'm confident Rudd has taken an initial first step in the right direction; pardon the pun.

Yes sbr108, but at what cost?

Is this too much to ask?

Does ANYONE know?

.....how come Abbott is not taking the option of 10years ago up.
doog, I am the first to admit that what worked prior to Kevins brain fart, would not necessarily work today, HOWEVER, had the previous WORKING SYSTEM been left in place, I have NO DOUBT it would have been easier to tweak that WORKING SYSTEM than to throw it away and start afresh.

Suz, I am very concerned about how much the PNG solution is going to cost, why, because ONE, we don't have the money, and TWO, we don't have the money.

Now as for Kevin getting back in, yes, I am worried, not because of Kevin, because I actually quite like the man, but more because he is simply a puppet, as it's the party that runs labor, not the man, as his strings are pulled from above.

Now of cause the likes of Belly will jump at me for saying that, but seriously, Bill shorten was the ONLY reason Kevin got the job, and he's still there doing what he does best, pulling the strings, or at least holding them till the next time they need pulling.

Every labor lover needs to remember one very very important fact, that being we are only trying to fix something that wasn't broken until your beloved Kevin came along.

NEVER EVER FORGET THAT!

rectub Have you found out what this is going to cost yet.
Your opinion is your opinion, doesn't add up to anything. The best laws of long ago need updating from time to time. Abbott is a rabbit and nothing is going to change that. To rebadge a system that is already there is for small minds.

P,

Pity you have so little to go on. A few ex servicemen criticizing the structure of Abbott's plan (not its effectiveness), which was put down immediately by Gen Hurley.

The point of the coalition's plan is not a magic bullet, it is a combination of TPVs, detention, towing the boats back, off shore processing, settlement in PNG etc.

The alternative is the Greens / Labor plan which involves drastically increasing the size of the morgue at Xmas island.

Abbott would have done better to join forces with the govt; rather than come up with something that is hypothetical.
We will vote for a govt; not a solution.
That naval person did not retire for no reason.
Abbott has not only got PNG, Indonesia, against him now it's the Navy.