'That Man' white-anted Julia Whatshername during her electioneering in 2010, so now Jools is going to white-ant him too to return the favour.

Besides, 'I was gypped, I should have been black'. LOL

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/julia-gillard-says-she-was-loyal-to-kevin-rudd-until-she-challenged-for-leadership-but-he-whiteanted-her/story-fnho52ip-1226686228402

No, it isn't a continuation of At Home with Julia, but it could be.

Doubtless the warring sides will now indulge thelselves in blood-letting, behind the scenes at least.

How can a house that is so divided against itself hope to form a government that lasts full term?

onthebeach good day
What are you trying to say?
Apart from your anti ALP what ever the issue that is.
Gillard is gone history will judge her and, with respect, to her not you, Rudd,s rise speaks in my view about her years in power.
If you should except a long standing challenge, to those on your side of politics you may find ample reason to question your past leaders.
Brendan Nelsons reply to Rudd,s sorry is a classic.

Belly,

You are feeling Kevin13's pain for Julia's King Hit, a groin shot.

Come the long awaited election it could be twelve months since Julia announced the election campaign that was and wasn't an election campaign. That is a long time for government not to be governing.

It is also a damned long time for the public feud to be continuing. There are so many secrets, so many buried bodies. It is Deliverance to an extreme. Here is yet another body rising high in the water, filled with fetid gas and letting some of it escape.

Rudd has that to contend with as well as the treacherous Greens and the asylum seeker branch of the victim industry. Julia is whistling up activists from indigenous groups and the mob from Emily's List to have a go at Rudd. It is crazy stuff.

Forget the Opposition, it is being drowned out. Abbott will have to take a number and get into line to criticise Kevin Rudd.

Brendan Nelsons reply to Rudd,s sorry is a classic.
Belly,
Nelson's reply was a sober assessment & an intelligent one at that. Rudd just dribbled out sorry a couple of times & didn't even know for what. If he was so sorry then why are the communities so let down since his administration started ?
Why is he letting those ignorant bureaucrats ruin the communities ? It's that he should apologise for now.
Belly you're probably a decent bloke but you put your integrity on the line defending the incompetence that is the ALP. That's my honest view. You may not like Abbott but honestly, if that's your only reason ? Can you really not see what the ALP is doing to Australia ?

Yes Indi, same ALP, diffent leader.

What amuses me is the fact that the likes of Belly want us to put the entire trust of the nation on one mans shoulders, a man with a proven record of failures, illegals, insulation.

Now if he is not a one man band, then why did his party do so poorly under both himself, then Julia, remembering, that apart from a bit of shuffling, we still have the same people.

Kevin has made a fatal error in prolonging the election, something I predicted from day one ( just four weeks ago).

He's history, besides, on the off chance Kev polls well in the next month of two, the libs always have the ace card up their sleeve, Turnbul.

Not a bad bench player I might say.

Indy not just me but most would not agree with you.
Nelsons reply was and remains a poorly done rather rude, insult both to those we said sorry to and his own party, who briefly looked out of touch with modern Australia.
However your post is of great use.
It *highlights* a truth, some including, your self are willing to tramp over the truth to insult Labor.
And to defend those who failed on your side.

Belly,
You're guilty of spreading one of the biggest lies & that is to say that the ALP is about truth.
If you really are a decent person than then you'd better start looking around for some home truths. To say that Nelson's reply was anything but factual is a lie in itself. Please tell what was so bad in that reply. Of course many want to discredit it because many don't like the truth. You sound like you're one of them. There's truth & there is fact & the fact is that Nelson did speak truthfully. The other fact is that Rudd simply made a reply that he knew is is not as factual as the real truth because he needed a speech to make him look good in the minds of those who are confused about integrity.

News must be short on. What about Abbott's re badged boaters solution.
it's only gonna take 100 days to implement.
the same lot are out there doing that now, without the extra star.

the same lot are out there doing that now
doog,
are you sure ? How did the many boats get through then over the past months & still getting through ?
Why are the asylum camps chockers then ?

You gotta laugh.
Just look at the payback to Rob Oakshot and his mate, both ex National seat holders for? a trumped up charge as independents they betrayed their base.
Slipper heard of him.
Member of both conservative party,s and of long standing .
Easy to find reason to question others.
Impossible for some to look behind them selves.

The Indonesian coastline is many thousand of KM"S long . These people are not going to fill a boat from the same place twice. They do not use ports. If one gets intercepted it is luck, as these boats are timber it is very hard for radar to pick them up. It's up to airoplanes, and line of sight to know where they are.
How many boats we got, against the length of the Indonesian coast.
Some make a B line for xmas isl and some follow the coast south.
It is not that easy as Tony would have you believe. In Howards day only two boats were taken back to Indonesia, that caused so much trouble they abandoned that idea.

It is not that easy as Tony would have you believe.
doog,
that's not what the crews of Customs & Navy say. They say they're not permitted to act by their supers who take orders from their superiors who take orders from the bureaucrats with stars & stripes & all sorts of other paraphernalia.
These crews have the will, the equipment & the expertise but they're held at bay by some crap-scared public servants.

My understanding of maritime law is that any boarding of a free, law abiding vessel on the high seas, in international waters, is an act of piracy. Where do we or anyone else get the right to board and tow a vessel anywhere?

Back on the boats?
Close observers of what is taking place ii politics on this subject.
Not what is rumbling around in their heads.
Will have seen opposition said it would continue Rudd,s latest plan if they win.
Thinkers may consider all the negativity from the sides is, contributing to the boats still coming.
We are not just a single country web page, we have had many international contributors.
Maybe even more just dropping in for a look.
I believe both side,s now support stop the boats take no arrivals.
But probably based on a past mistake, a view seen here that every thing the government does is not supported has some thinking our resolve is weak.

What has Abbott actually come up with that is going to benefit AU.
Everything he has said is in the negative, not one word of advancement.
He somehow has got Howard stuck between the fragments of his brain. Costello nailed him when he said, Abbott is an economic illiterate, this has got to run true. He has not even mentioned the word.
How can anyone put trust in a person like that. PNG is being accepted and will soon see their first arrival of patrons.
Tent city on a tropical island will be very suitable for voluntarily dislodged persons. There will be no more luxury liners transporting people to AU.

Chrisgraff;
The master of the vessel has committed a crime in Indonesia by making an illegal
departure not being cleared from a port, carrying paying passengers on an unsurveyed
vessel, intending to carry undocumented persons into a foreign counntry etc etc etc.

Is that enough for starrters ?

Bazz,
Yes, true, but back in Indonesia. Once he is in international waters he is not subject to the home laws until he arrives back. He may well be in breach of the destination laws although judging by our court decisions and based on the penalties applied it seems that it is a bit like the Truancy Act. It is there but we no longer enforce it.

Chris,

I think under international law, you can only interfere with a vessel (outside of assistance when in difficulty) if you have the sanction of the country where the vessel is registered.

So if Indonesia sanctioned Australian interference of its registered vessels in international waters, that would be okay (?).

But Indonesia doesn't appear to be about to give that sanction.

chrisgaff1000, "Once he is in international waters he is not subject to the home laws until he arrives back"

No, that is wrong. Google Article 94, Duties of the flag State.

Poirot is also wrong. However I have already covered the duties of the owners and masters of vessels in another thread that doubtless Poirot read at the time. In essence, the responsibilities of the woners and master are onerous (reasonable considering the powers of a ship's master!).

In this case there is reasonable suspicion of illegal activity from the behaviour of the masters and owners, incuding behaviour that could put the ship's company, the passengers and the vessel at risk. Not only is it reasonable for a warship to intervene, it would not be complying with the international rules and expectations not to do so.

It is hypocritical that some here would support the extreme acts of Sea Shepherd that put lives and ships at risk to save whales, but they object to navy intervention at sea to preserve life, ships and laws, national and international. The lunar Left and Greens never have to be responsible for the unforseen consequences of their actions: throw open the doors, support criminal gangs and drown people. That is the Left for you, barking mad and proud of it.

P,

In international law, any country has the right to intercept any vessel headed for its shores. This has been done routinely by the US the UK etc.

It a boat from Indonesia was heading to PNG, this would then be illegal.