Belly >

I don't make up the stats. Look at the links and then send your complaints to the Dept of Immigration if you disagree or think that somehow you know better.

I don't even understand what your arguement is. Are you saying you can proof more asylum seekers arrive by plane? Do you really think more than 7000 have arrived by plane in the last 12 months... that's 19 a day. Don't you think that would make the nightly news if it was actually happening?

Just try and be logical about this. This is not slight against your beloved Labour Party, its just the facts about arrivals.

sbr108 The ABC has revealed that thousands of Indian students, skilled workers and 457 visa holders have been admitted to Australia on dodgy travel and work documents.
Briefings prepared by the Immigration Department and obtained by the ABC's Fact Checking Unit under Freedom of Information show out-of-control, large-scale fraud of the visa system.
Your figure of 67 is people who fly in and when asked to produce a visa simply can't, they are not necessarily seeking asylum more likely they made the mistake of not applying for a visa in the first place.
Overstayers are people who arrive legally, but then fail to leave by the due date, thus becoming illegal in Australia.
The ABC story is about people with dodgy travel and work docs.

How come that any Company can wack a Green sticker on their product then up the price by 20% to rip off people trying to do the right thing. It happens all the time.

I don't know what your post has got to do with Unauthorized Arrival Statistics Akavan

sbr108 - You need to understand the refugee advocates on this site if they can't prove you wrong will either ignore and questions or in this case try to hijack the thread.

Belly - If they are wrong you post what are the real ones, but make sure you read what the statistics are for.

HERE is the critical part you failed to comprehend "heard it repeated on many occasions that there are more refugees and asylum seekers arriving by plane than by boat."

Indian students are not claiming asylum.

PS as you know we do not get along.
It is never a good thing that two posters differ to the point of anger.
Let us start again OK?
We cannot come to together on any subject related to politics.
I never hide my ALP owned heart.
Or as my history here tells the faults I see in them.
A rare thing, invisible if it exists in your teams posts, self reflection.
This link talks about unauthorized arrivals, it try,s desperately to both blacken policy on boat people and *HIDE* by ignoring , the real numbers of other ileagle migrants comeing by air.
We differ but let us both respect each others rights to do that as of this day.
Differ? I race off, with pride,to man an ALP pre poll center, you are unlikely to do that.
This country needs to wind down the increased anger we are seeing in politics.

<<The ABC has revealed that thousands of Indian students, skilled workers and 457 visa holders have been admitted to Australia on dodgy travel and work documents>> : Paul 1405

This debate about fly-ins versus boat-ins is a false A dichotomy.

If there are illegal flyins, boot them out!
And the boaties are ALL illegals --it is their intend to scam the system from day one --boot them out!

Refugee advocates play a sneaky little game trying to offset the two issues.

People like Paul are Ok with any amount of clamp down on 457 visas holders--just so long as those affected appear to be light skinned.

However, I'll wager, that should any crack down on his mentioned <<indian students>> eventuate, Paul will be one the first to scream - RACISM.

The reality is, the fly-in V boat-in issue is merely another ploy by Paul and like (non) thinkers to muddy the waters --don't be sucked in.