Dear rehctub,

It's not surprising that voters are demanding answers
now - and thank goodness for that. Politicians will
have to do more than just coast along.

Here's two links that may be of interest:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2012/labors-change-of-menu-leaves-the-coalition-stewing-20130709-2pobv.html

And -

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/abbott-now-playing-away-20130716-2q2nv.html

Well done SM!
Classic Liberal tactic, trying to turn things upside down and claim a positive is a negative.
You and I understand Kevin 07 wanted ETS and only that.
He shared that wish with your future leader Turnbull.
Classic but old tactic.
It over looks the fact recent babbleings from Abbott have positioned your side way out to the right of reality on this subject.
Why not try his targeting of FB tax?
His claim the filling out the log books for three months once every year, are worth fanning the fires with surely.
Boy who cried wolf comes to mind.
And I have no room for doubt in claiming on this issue your mob sheds votes to keep faith with those already committed to you.

Labor has said the carbon price will be set in Europe, means it's coming down and so will energy costs. That message, along with how the 4-ish bil to do this will not come from income tax increases so we've all kicked a goal, is not accompanied by detail. All we know of is it's costed and budgeted, putting it a point clear of "Direct Action".

I am unsure about what the transitioning to the EUETS involves , precisely, and I await details along with the business community http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/business-waiting-ets-detail-071309086.html Like SM, I am concerned that the cost of permits should feed into revenue.

Until I know more I think I agree with SM (gulp) that we should have a fixed carbon price reflective of a periodic (monthly?) review of the EU market.

I prefer where we are already (~$24/tonne), with exporters given carbon credits while domestically we raise the incentive towards fossil fuel alternatives well ahead of the apparent European rate. But that's not going to win an election, is it now.

Dot

Funny how the ALP is using "the power of the free market" to provide a solution while the neo-cons are using a purely "socialist approach" and screwing taxpayers to bribe corporate polluters.

What's the story with the "Green Army" anyway? Are they a work-for-the-dole scheme and what are the 15,000 of them supposed to do?

SM, SPQR, just a thought.
The horse feathers you flutter around in this thread and the inability to ask yours selfs a question.
Why.
Why has your leaders polling turned to mud at the bottom of a great fall, or have he bottomed out yet.
If Turnbull is the invisible man for you both a new leader?
Gillard could restore your team, say take you to the giddy heights of 40% approval in preferred PM?

SM is right about the ETS, I have read many comment on how this scheme advantages rich countries.

Already the dud has reinforced why I loathe him through his few policies.

In the end, if he is what the battlers and many tossers want, the dud is what they will get.

I think this time, the masses, albeit still minority, have got it wrong, but I suppose for many, a football competition is enough to celebrate as Aust continues its decline, probably under both parties given their policy options.