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A new approach to criminal justice?

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I see nothing wrong with treating prisoners well and helping them to be better equipped for life outside of prison.
david f,
it doesn't work, how much more proof do you require before you can see that ?
I & most sane people would much rather spend the available funding to compensate the victims rather than yes, mollycoddle the offenders. Prison is not prison for these people. Why not ? Because prison is not punishment ! Only via punishment will any living thing learn not to repeat something that ends up hurting them. By educating them without punishment you're actually telling them that they won't have to behave because they get everything except punishment.
Posted by individual, Friday, 21 June 2013 1:09:10 PM
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Harsh treatment of prisoners is balm for the self-righteous. However, it does nothing about the causes of crime.

Some prisoners however one treats them are a danger to society if they are on the loose. Harsh treatment will not make them less of a danger to society. They should be kept locked up.

However, those who may be able to make a better life for themselves if they get help should get that help.

There is no excuse for brutality to prisoners or anybody else. Treat everyone as you would be treated.
Posted by david f, Friday, 21 June 2013 1:31:50 PM
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no excuse for brutality to prisoners or anybody else.
david f,
this is just typical do-gooder divert from the real issue talk. No-one's said anything about brutality here, you're the first one to bring it up. We're talking about getting punished for doing deliberately & wilfully wrong. To sit in a cell for most of the day without TV, without computer access & without gym equipment is punishment.
As for 'those who may be able to make a better life for themselves' they themselves will tell you that they don't need help, they'll just behave themselves after they get released. They'll tell you they don't need special treatment .
Those who re-offend will always re-offend no matter how comfortable you make it for them.
People with your mentality are the cause of most criminal behaviour, you constantly excuse bad behaviour thereby enhancing bad behaviour. Your do-gooder mentality is doing more harm than if you left the crims to do their thing. I know you mean well but as the old adage goes, bad things happen when good people do nothing. A person causing wilful damage, or loss of property or even bodily harm NEEDS to be punished for their own good as well not just to get justice.
Posted by individual, Friday, 21 June 2013 2:00:26 PM
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Dear individual,

Nobody needs to be punished for their own good.
Posted by david f, Friday, 21 June 2013 2:18:23 PM
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david f,
Well, let's see how you change your tune after you've been ransacked or assaulted & the craphead who did it will ask you to be so kind to him as you're presently within your ignorance.
Posted by individual, Friday, 21 June 2013 3:15:14 PM
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I am unsure I should say this.
Truth however demands I do.
Some comments seem based on memory's of Dictators , not just Hitler but many others.
I tend to side with Hasbeen, in reminding us a willingness to be more interested in perpetrator than victims is not an answer.
Generations of English men have tried new ways to imprison.
But remember how bad some became, and the murders of guards, just so the killer could be hanged for that crime.
Let us include the victims and loved ones in sentencing but for more than a third of prisoners some form of work can be found to fund their time there.
I think we make a rod for our own back when time after time bonds take the place of what should be a prison term.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 21 June 2013 3:56:37 PM
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