OK, now what ! The Indonesians won't allow the 'Illegals' boats to be returned to their shores;

It appears now, the Malaysian's won't accept them either ?

I realise we Aussies are a tough lot, and when the Libs & Nat's take power in September, they've promised unequivocally, they'll 'Stop the Boats'! Including such strategies, as towing them back from whence they came, all the way to where exactly -> -> ?

OK, so we re-introduce the 'temporary protection visas'. That'll help a bit I suppose. Process everyone 'off shore' at the various facilities Oz has here 'n there ? Then we've always got the asylum seeker's friend, the venerable High Court of Australia, to help guide us in our moral responsibility - notwithstanding these useless jurists pontificate from 'on high', without ever bringing down a judgement that will manifestly help this (their) entire country in it's time of real crises - the EFFECTIVE protection of our sovereign borders ? Oh well, what'll it matter in fifty years eh ?

Oh, sorry ! Was it someone herein suggest we stop all aid to both Indonesia and Malaysia ? Oh, we can't do that, otherwise they won't talk to us...oh dear, what to do, what to do ! ?

Gee we're so bloody weak, weak weak and weak !

Yes o sung, it certainly shows the stupidity of helping your neighbor. The only people you should ever help is your own.

You probably know O sung, how many men we lost putting down the communist instruction in Malaysia, or Malaya back then. We have seen damn little gratitude from those who inherited the country courtesy of those men's lives.

It is time to throw a bit of weight about, & Belly don't worry about how many of them there are. Granted we could use those F111s we have stupidly got rid of, but remember who you are talking about.

We see many Muslims who are very good at fighting women & children, blowing up civilians, & shooting a lot of ammunition into the air, but real fighting is not their bag. Just look at Timor & how quickly their rampant militia went to water should convince you.

o sung wu Quote Quote "Gee we're so bloody weak, weak weak and weak !"

I put it to you "we are not weak" but instead "we are led by the weak"

Good afternoon to you HASBEEN & PHILIP S...

Perhaps you're right there PHILIP S, we are led by some very very weak people ? I tend to get a bit fired up, sorry. You're quite right ! In fact, some of my friends, most all over seventy now, but believe me are as tough as tough as can be. Actually, it's me who's the only weak link ? Please, don't tell HASBEEN, he'll give me a hard time ??

Oh, afternoon to you HASBEEN ! I've yet to respond to your other thread on the Defence 'weakening' processes precipitated by some extraordinarily dull witted 'boofhead' of the far left in Labor ! I'll do it after tea, I'm sorry ol' friend.

Yes, I think I recall, we gifted some of those beaut 'swing wing' F111's to the Indonesian Air Force didn't we ? Oh, they won't be a problem I shouldn't think ! When the A/C becomes AOG'd they'll not be able to source the parts nor the technology to bring them back on line...I think ? Unless we have some of our guys over there ready to assist in their servicing and repair ? It wouldn't bloody well surprise me ? After all, weren't we training Indonesian Officers at Duntroon and ADFA ? Also didn't the 'Saturday's and Sunday's (SAS) have some sort of training pact with them, in the West ?

Please, don't tell me we're still training their potential Officers at Duntroon and/or ADFA ? Surely not ? I need some coffee to revive me, if that arrangement still exists ? Thank you Mr Bob CARR ?

Belly,
just like you feel you have a duty to support your Labor Party so has Indonesia an unwritten obligation to fellow muslims, no matter how they may prefer not to but such is culture & religion.
I'm just about 100% certain that Indonesia would much prefer not to be the roadstead for the invaders getting into Australia.

A good example of stupid is a country that gives foreign aid to Indonesia this year approx $540 million and the aid will go up $650 million next year, we look after there people so they can buy helicopter gunships and missiles.

Welcome to the world of Juliar and Labor.

Now if we don't give them the money they will have to cut back on military spending or suffer the consequences from thee own citizens.

Belly - Quote "I'm just about 100% certain that Indonesia would much prefer not to be the roadstead for the invaders getting into Australia." I would like to think you are right BUT it does not appear so you never hear of them turning or stopping anyone going there, so I believe they are complicit in the problem.

Next time there is a boat arrival look at the people on it they would stick out like a sore thumb in Indonesia, the police could not, not know about them.