Antiseptic - the bikie gangs of the 80s and 90s were full of ex nashos.

There were, and still are, plenty of motorbike gangs based on nashos, however by an large their thing is breaking all possible ties with the utterly moronic system that sent them into harms way but which did its utmost to ignore them when they returned with who knows what afflictions. I know many of these people & I'm not aware of any who peddle hard drugs, run brothels or get in to seriously anti-social activities. Their situation could well have been avoided had successive waves of bloodsucking parasites exhibited as much as a shred of decency by making reasonable attempts to provide proper care for them. I don't condone 95% of wars, and none that are no concern of this country, but surely its reasonable to expect all possible aid to be provided for those our erstwhile supposed leaders put in harms way. Note the very bloodsucking parasites who have no qualms about lining their own pockets invariably regard returned military personnel as expendable. Not good enough.

By all accounts the bikie gangs of the 80s and 90s were full of ex nashos.
Antiseptic,
National Service note not MILITARY Service.
As for any other info needed due to unfortunate short-sighted thinking paxidice summed it all up perfectly. Those who still don't get it really should be put out of their misery.
Turn 19 & off you go to National Service for 24 months, no if's no but's. If you have two left hands or are short-brained you can always sweep somewhere. if you can eat then you can lift a finger to help towards your next meal. Those unfortunate who are handicapped can participate in whatever capacity they feel they can. I'm sure your carers can do with a break. Nat Serv will teach you to think of others.

I'm sorry folks, I've not been travelling well lately.

BELLY my good friend; even though we don't share each other's political belief's, nor do we have any vocational similarities ? Nevertheless, what we DO share inexorably, are the same identical aspirations, visions and dedicated loyalty for our beloved country. And similar to most other like mined individuals, we'd defend our precious country from those who'd seek to render it harm, either from external or internal sources ! And, thank you BELLY for ALL your generous support too.

I can't speak with any authority on NSW Prisons. I can speak with some measure of authority on; (a) the (corrupt & broken) NSW Parole system; (b) the NSW Bail Act, equally beyond repair.

Both of these Criminal Justice institutions are a mess ? Just ask any working copper ? Firstly - Bail; Parole & Bail are inextricably linked, both permit crooks access back into the community ? Bail; the concept permitting a person Bail, is the 'presumption of innocence'. A person charged MAY well be innocent, thus why deny him his freedom ? I'll not attempt to answer, because of the many complexities governing the Act.

To continue, as long as you've money you'll generally be released from custody. Despite the severity of the crime ? Once, if charged with a capital offence, Bail was denied. Now, many crooks with criminal records, are getting Bail, often by means of a Surety, 'Certificate of Fitness'). The crook disappears, thus they estreat their bail, and the coppers again have to locate them for a second time - All costing valuable resources, and will put the public once more at risk.

I've dealt with Parole in some measure, in earlier threads. However, I believe any politician with foresight and enterprise who'd thoroughly overhaul, both Parole and the Bail Act, would indeed be hailed a hero/heroine in this State. Goodness knows it needs attention. If you're still undecided, look at the facts surrounding the rape & murder of that poor young ABC Lass down in Melbourne ?

Just to clarify where I was going with motorbikes & nasho ... during the Vietnam business, males who didn't join the cut-lunch commandoes before conscription date were actually sent to what was then known as 'the funny country' (obviously different to the 'funny countries' that migrants came from in the 1950s - 1960s). Once in Vietnam, conscriptees were to all intents & purposes 'proper' soldiers in that they got the same exposure to lovely stuff like Agent Orange & those bits that pop out of gunbarrels that tend to perforate human flesh. Unfortunately on their return, they were virtually ignored by the powers that be, so its hardly surprising many didn't exactly fit back into the society they had left a few years previously. Both those who stayed in Australia (cut-lunch commandoes) and the ones who got shot at were nashoes ie they were forced by gubmunt decree to devote part of their life to stuffing around with weapons and training to kill people. All are eligible for full RSL membership but only those who went to the funny country qualify for what meagre active service benefits are available.

o sung wu - as long as you've money you'll generally be released from custody.

Doesn't happen that way in Queensland. Its not at all uncommon for people charged with quite trivial offences to be held on remand for considerable periods, in fact I'm personally aware of one particular individual with no history whatever who spent over a year on remand. (and yes I've read all the paperwork / record of interview / charge sheet / warrants / blah blah). Impossible ?? .. not in the deep north. Some lunatic politicians a few years back saddled us with terrorism legislation that can be as easily MIS-used as it can be applied to situations that warrant its use. For what its worth, our 'terrorist' was eventually released after the DPP discovered the arresting officer had mistaken identity. Mind you we have a history up here of clueless legal happenings, for instance double-jeopardy legislation was repealed by the Blighters (around the same time they legislated to make lying by politicians 'legal') & now the f**wit chief justice is attempting to repeal the right to not self incriminate.

Hi PRAXIDICE...

What you've described with Bail in QLD doesn't surprise me at all ?

Ideally, those charged with offences that don't include any aggravation or violence (aka 'property' offences), with little or no flight risk, should be granted Bail. That really is the true intent of allowing a person Bail.

Pretty well in every instance, the Magistrate or Bail Justice, 'should' heed closely, what police recommend apropos a person's suitability for Bail. Determining whether there's a risk of flight, or a danger to the public, or likely to recommit an offence, or the chance he'll fail to answer his Bail (failure to appear), even trying to intimidate the witnesses in his case ? That aside, the NSW Bail Act is relatively complex, and for some reason, our politicians fear coming to grips with its complexities ? However, it does need to be overhauled completely. Somehow, I don't believe I'll be around to see it, I suppose ?