o sung wu "For offences where any 'aggravation' is implicated, or extreme violence is occasioned against (as I stated earlier), certain classes of vulnerable individuals. That would indubitably include any offence occasioning violence, perpetrated against any child, or any female, regardless of age."

I think that attitude is part of the problem. If you treat people as less important, less valuable than others it's going to have impacts. Men are given the message over and over again by society that our lives are less valuable than the lives of others. That's going to impact on the attitudes of some and their response to both themselves and society. There are others who are going to be vermin regardless of what messages society sends but I think the problem is compounded when people are told over and over again that their lives are less valuable than that of others.

On the broader topic I'd rather see prison treated as a method of protecting the rest of us from those who are too dangerous to have loose than as a punishment. If someone needs to make restitution for wrong doing I think we would be better off with them out of prison and making restitution unless they prove unwilling to cooperate with that or are too dangerous for that option.

R0bert

i suspect part of the problem is the lack of big house accommodation. Letting seasoned cons out provides room for fresh ones.

Only a few days ago they had a show on TV that gave an insight into some prison in England. Some inmates wanted to die & harm themselves, real crapheads. The authorities were trying to find ways to make the prisoners feel better & safer etc. All the typical do-gooder nonsense we have here too.
Not a single mention was made regarding their victims or the reason they were in prison for.. It was simply sickening to watch.

I'm sorry, I must ask for your forbearance, for not answering any of your 'threads'. A case of the 'black dog's' emergence I'm afraid.

o sung wo, there is a link, the *Black Dog* once I counseled others and they never knew what you have guessed.
You mate,even when differing with my view are a *star* here.
I see a common sense, in you and own, as others do too, that dog.
It does not show in your posts and I am SURE not mine.
Our past is gone, in my case I understand my past mates mostly too, because I think as I do.
Bloke let it go front up to tomorrow but stay here you have much to give in your wise level headed words
I ask what truly do we want from our justice system.
Longer sentences for some crimes seems safe.
A better way of handing down judgment too.
And parole? surely we both want the true reformed to be able to use this while not the dangerous ones we hear about too often?
Yesterday we heard in NSW a killer sent to prison for years out after one on day release?
Is that not an insult to a dead [knifed] kid?
I am not looking at American justice for answers a thousand years is too harsh, but funny and spam sandwiches three times a day cruel.
But why must this country stick to a old system?

Belly

I believe what 'we' (ie the majority) want from the legal system is exactly the same as 'we' want from the political system, ie, officials, whether elected or otherwise, who regard 'us' as the bosses / employers. All these turkeys are public servants, ie servants of the people, they are most definitely NOT the little tin gods they would like to believe they are. Most if not all issues in contemporary society are derived from low-life slimeballs who grew too big for their boots. The people / sheeple must wear part of the blame for this situation as they (we) have become far too apathetic to take an active interest in the running of the country.