Belly,

I think I can be of assistance here:

The reason the usual suspects call people "do-gooders" is because it's a convenient hackneyed term employed as a soft glove slap of an insult to fair-minded people, by those who are too vacuous to reach around inside their cranium for cogent argument.

'What a bloody minded and unchristian thing to say

csteele have you lefties no shame. We see the old 'we are compassionate ones' and you are mean uncovered clearly in the drowing of over 1000 people due to 'compassionate ' policies.
where r the facts and figures you assert as to the rehabilated violent ones from the communities. You are speaking rhetoric as usual.

Why do these important topics end up reverting to kindergarten sandpit commentary. You know the "I'm better than you" "No you're not, I'm better than you", "No, pick me, pick me I am the more compassionate one", "You're just a do-gooder who does no good" etc etc. Good grief.

There would not be one person on OLO that would not argue there is a problem in Indigenous communities. The difficulty is in finding a solution that involves those communities and one that works and isn't just a government showpiece.

There is much being done by some amazing women in those communities already who want to improve the conditions for men and women and stop the abuses.

Pelican

'There is much being done by some amazing women in those communities already who want to improve the conditions for men and women and stop the abuses. '

There are numerous men and woman who 'want to improve conditions'. I am sure there are many that weep over the situation. The problem is not solved by wanting better conditions. I am sure we all want that and have done for a long time. Maybe we just fail to ask the right questions because we don't like the answers.

Okay folks this is directly from the link in runners original post;

“Dr Bath blamed alcohol and drug abuse, overcrowding and "consistent unemployment". "Alcohol is the worst factor by a country mile," he said. "Between 60 and 70 per cent of violence is directly related to alcohol.”

So what had been achieved by decent 'do-gooders' policy in places like Alice Springs?

The then Labour Government introduced the Liquor Supply Plan in October 2006. The sales of cask wine, a principal method of delivery of alcohol to certain sections of the community immediately started falling from a 135,267 litres of pure alcohol content in 2006 to 23,274 litres in 2009.
http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/policycoord/documents/statistics/wholesale_pac_supply_2002to2009.pdf

Take a look at those figures again.

John Paterson writing on behalf of the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance Northern Territory says that;

“The decline in alcohol consumption in Alice has seen projected admissions for assault to Alice Springs Hospital for Aboriginal women reduced by about 130 per year.”

It has also assisted in a dramatic effect on indigenous life expectancy rates with the NT average annual change in indigenous death rates per 100,000 from a 2006 baseline to 2011 of -57.6, the best in Australia.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/05/indigenous-reform-report-document

Over 100 communities in the NT have self imposed bans on alcohol. This has resulted in the prevalence of alcohol consumption by indigenous adults in remote communities being 25% less than indigenous adults in non-remote areas.
http://digitallibrary.health.nt.gov.au/prodjspui/bitstream/10137/515/1/Alcohol%20use%20in%20the%20Northern%20Territory.pdf

The NT's CLP government has stripped some of these initiatives away including the banned drinker register which was so successful.

The lock em' up mentality that has prevailed for so long in the NT has seen it become arguably the highest place in the world for incarcerating Indigenous peoples. That should be our to our shame. To those here wanting more of the same and rubbing their hands together in anticipation of Abbott withdrawing proven initiatives need to have a good look at themselves

I agree totally with Runner and Loudmouth on this.
There comes a time that if you can’t or won’t help yourself even by taking some small positive step, then nobody can help you.

These men have to know that what they are doing is wrong, belting their wives with star pickets for heaven sake and giving sexually transmitted diseases to small children. These aren’t one off cases.

The fact is anytime they like, they can come down to a regional city (the amount they spend on grog would pay for the fare and accommodation). Send their children to school, go to
night school or get a job even as a trolley boy and they would soon be middle class Australians.

It’s the lack of will to change and the excuse to laze about, under the guise of victim that is the problem now.

We see big strong aboriginal lads, riding around on bikes and hanging around the local river on any working day of the week, all the time, not in the Northern Territory but here in this big regional city. Meanwhile, African lads and men have got jobs as trolley boys at the local shopping centres.

The horrific circumstances they come from, haven’t caused them to lay down and cry victim, can’t work or look after my family. Are the Northern Territory Aboriginals(not the ones at UNI or who do work, much respect to them)going to still be refusing to help themselves
in 50years or 100years time?
still going to be doing that in 50years, 100years, when will they
give their kids and families a better shot at life.