Hasbeen, "I think that particular fabric has much to answer for, in the way it turns meek minded accounts clerks into fire breathing idiots"

LOL

The wrap around cycling sunglasses as well.

My experience with driving in the city, is that traffic rules are treated as suggestions and that cycling through red traffic lights, on the wrong side of the road, and between moving lanes of traffic is considered standard practise, as is their general immunity from fines. Just last week I saw a cyclist swearing at a motorist who turned left while oblivious of a cyclist riding straight on his left hand side well within his blind spot.

I think that these cyclists in order to ride in traffic should get a license that should be displayed, and should be subject to fines and suspensions as are other road users

I find these debates highly amusing. There are many undercurrents.

Cycling: Synonymous with Clover Moore types. Everyone hates a self righteous queer leftie do-gooder. The only thing more annoying than being put in the position of attempting not to kill someone who has purposely put themselves in grave danger by riding a push bike on a 3 lane highway with cars doing 70-100 km/h, is the annoyance of seeing a whole dedicated lane set up for the exclusive use of such a small section of the community. Never before has so many resources been spent to accommodate such a fringe activity.

Driving: People who would deny the safety of someone in a ridiculously vulnerable situation in order to get to work, yes work that thing everyone hates, 2 minutes earlier. Begrudging someone who is being healthy and saving the planet because it simultaneously makes them look bad and inconveniences their own planet and health destroying apathy and laziness..

Houellebecq

For what its worth, this thread has proven to be somewhat more enlightening than I expected when I started it. The issue is of particular relevance to me because of the roads I use frequently & number of times I encounter cyclists (both responsible & irresponsible). Both myself & a number of others with similar concerns have canvassed opinion from a range of road-users including known moderate cyclists, various advocacy groups etc, in fact the only mob we've ignored is one that can only be described as 'fanatic'. Interestingly, cyclists generally have proven to be surprisingly receptive to motorist concerns, including issues with the two abreast provision, bicycle registration & the metre exclusion business. We've also raised the issue of heavy vehicle awareness since its clear precious few road users have a clue about the peculiarities of big trucks (particularly in respect of visibility, manoeuvering & braking). Even suggestions to exclude cyclists from certain roads hasn't drawn the expected condemnation expected once the matter of visibility was fully explained.

praxidice

that is the most moderate you have ever posted. Why do you come across as an extremist in so many other posts?

So observes our not-so-moderate fundamentalist Christian.

Bit of a hoot, that one, runner.....