if people had not stopped smacking children its likely we would need far less camera's as the lack of discipline has led to far more violence. Another lie of the social engineers uncovered.

We all know what a fearful person Belly is but why on earth are the rest of you so blithely accepting cameras watching your every move?

And please do not let Belly nor anyone else tell you wanting to keep the government or 'Big Brother' out of our business is a PC thing. Any true conservative worth his or her salt would be condemning the CCTV-ing of our streets. What they would be demanding instead is more 'bobbies on the beat' and in that I would agree with them.

The fact that this happened in NSW is not a surprise. That state has been dropping police numbers per 100,000 people for years and now ranks second lowest of all the states and territories bar the ACT for operational officers. It is 10% below Victorian numbers and 20% below Queensland's. CCTV-ing is a cheap alternative to adequately resourcing police.

Belly's plaintive cry about “What if a child is taken. Would we be upset if our kid or grandkid was kidnapped and if we had the camera we could have retrieved them before a murder?” Name one instance of a taken child being retrieved before they were murdered due to a CCTV camera in Australia. You can't because there aren't any. He continues with “How would we be without the cameras that caught the Murder of that ABC lady.”? It was a camera inside a shop that captured his image not a public one but leaving that aside shouldn't we be putting our resources into preventing murders like that of Jill Maher with visible policing on our streets rather than cheap fixes that only assist after the fact, if at all.

Let's not let the fear of some strip away what should be a reasonable right to privacy and to safe and adequate policing.

Actually Luddy & Mustard I was on a Pommy motoring site recently. The populous were up in arms about the number of unregistered, & therefor uninsured cars on the road. Including those with stolen plates it is believed to be over a million in England alone.

They are blaming this on policing by camera.

As the owner/driver can't be identified or found, photo enforcement is only with honest people, with legally registered cars.

Evidently there are so few cops on the road in England these days, that these cars are rarely picked up.

If they are actually stopped by the cops the fine for driving an unregistered car is apparently, less than even the bottom end speeding/red light fines.

They believe that photographic evidence, rather than by human cop, is developing a class of people who would not not drive a legal car, if it was given to them.

I think they may have started around here south of Brisbane. I had not seen a cop car for years. My son told me there were hundreds of young dole/alternate income types around, driving $200 unregistered cars.

About that time I started seeing at least one cop car every time I drove the 25Km or so to any of the nearby towns. I think they are having a blitz on dangerous unroadworthy cars. These things are worse than a little minor speeding, & require human detection & enforcement.

I gather some bloke was caught recently, sitting on a 5 gallon drum, with it sitting on the piece of plywood, over the rust hole, where the floor should be. That was a good one, the drum was tied in place with bailing twine.

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OH & the only time I have ever seen one of those photos, it was photos of my lady's car, not mine. She was photographed twice in one day, by the same camera, would you believe. Once going somewhere & once coming back.

She tells me some cock & bull story about her sat nav having the wrong speed listed for the area involved, as if I'd fall for that one. The judge didn't.

So there you are, I am absolutely law abiding, or very good at spotting cameras, which ever takes your fancy.

Then we have a neighbor known as "the speedy one". She was booked 6 times in 4 days, & reckons it was a rort. I agree with her. They had widened & resurfaced an old very narrow road. She had not noticed they had replaced the 100 signs with 60 signs. I gather there were so many complaints that many fines were thrown out.

Runner I agree completely.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1479381/urgent-review-after-council-cctv-shutdown/?cs=300
Given much thought to why any of us would not want to be filmed if we are not doing any thing wrong.
And even more to why some do not want to see criminals caught.
csteetle we would not yet have caught the Boston bombers without these cameras.
That play any roll in your written form of smirking at me?
A poll on the seven on line page said 84% of us want the cameras.
Now the sixteen percent are not criminals, but some must be.
You can bet on it some one long ago would have complained about the use of finger prints.
A question remains,why do we let so few ride over the wishes so many so often?

Could the next step be the legal challenge to have all surveilance cameras banned in stores, banks and entrances to private residents?