"mhaze: I presume you are joking? But then again may you are not...."

Very cryptic Robert. Care to elaborate?

SPQR,

I wasn't trying to prove anything specifically.

It was the fact that the article was nine years old that I found compelling. Some scientists seemed to be projecting more severe winters in Europe, etc...which appears to be playing out in recent years. It was titled "A Chilling Possibility", after all. And I think it's reasonable to imagine that those currents could be disturbed, not necessarily shut down altogether.

I thought it was interesting.

There are minor ice ages and major ice ages.
They are brought about by the precession of the elliptical shape of the
earths orbit around the sun, the precession of the poles and the seasons.
This results in six minor ice ages and then a major ice age.
I have forgotten what the time between minor ice ages is but the whole
thing has a name like Malenkov as it was a Russian that worked it out
from memory.

I will guess and say it is about 10,000 years between minor ice ages so
it would be about 70,000 years between major ice ages.
The article I read was that we are about to enter the next minor ice
age so it might be a good idea to burn as much fossil fuel as possible. Ha !

"mhaze: I presume you are joking? But then again may "be" you are not...."

Very cryptic Robert. Care to elaborate?
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 6 April 2013 9:19:47 AM
I did leave out the word "be".
I refer to your question about how much sea levels will rise with arctic ice melt, ring any bells?

Poirot,

You really can't get past the idea that any current warming must be man-made can you?
OK, so when there was higher temps in the earlier Holocene, the sea levels were higher. So what? If the warming is natural, there's really bugger all we can do to prevent it so we'd just have to adapt to the higher levels.

Its not a question of saying "it's all happened before, so no probs.....". But it is a question of saying it happened before we started burning fossil fuels, was therefore natural and is probably natural now. So recognise that there may be problems with the warming and stop blowing money on fruitless efforts to stop it and start spending money on mitigation. that is if you believe the warming will continue, which I don't.

BTW, we were talking about Arctic sea-ice melting. How much sea level rise do you think will occur if all the sea-ice melts?

Let me try and summarise again. We've had 1 deg warming in the last century. Its been good. A further 1 deg will be better. But whether we get it or not is entirely out of our hands. We can no more control the weather than we can control the solar cycles (which are of coarse linked!!). So, if the warming continues, enjoy the benefits and mitigate the detriments. Saying that the last time we had this level of temperature, some things were bad and therefore we need to 'do something', completely misses the point.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 5 April 2013 3:54:31 PM

Poirot the gulf stream has not diminished, so the current cold has nothing to do with that paper you referenced. Have you ever heard of sunspots? Now there's a theory.

It, like most of the so called science from the warmists is just another of their "MAY BE, PERHASPS" bits of bumf they regularly put out to cover the fact they have absolutely no evidence to support their fraud.

Please let us know if ever you find something, written by any of these con men, that does not have could, perhaps etc liberally sprinkled throughout it. That might be worth reading. Meanwhile, hope enjoy the fairy tales.

Yes, Hasbeen.....those con men are still at it.

(Apparently all those tens of thousands of atmospheric physicists, oceanographers, glaciologists, paleogeologists, etc have set up a giant fraud LOL)

(I think this time they've struck up a deal with the sunspots to fool the people)

They can't fool you though can they.

You've got "the Maths" - (and the conspiracy theories!)