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Poirot! I'm disappointed. You mean that was only the five minute argument? I would've paid for the whole hour... :)
Posted by Graeme M, Thursday, 4 April 2013 9:16:28 PM
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Oh for heavens sake will you denialists give up on this “it’s not happening nonsense”.
Just look out of the window and see what is going on right now. A shipping line is to start a service around the North of Russia is a bit of a clue there? As well as that here is an article about the Arctic which shows that there are big changes there. Arctic Ice Breaks Up in Beaufort Sea. http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/the-polar-ice.html?spref=fb We are also continuing to find even more ways to increase the rate of global warming such as the increase of methane emissions from CSG leaks which even a denialist would agree is a much more potent gas than CO2. Posted by Robert LePage, Friday, 5 April 2013 10:26:12 AM
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Poirot wrote: "OLO's nearly as solid with deniers as Watts and Nova."
Yep,as always OLO carries a fair representation of the views of the general public who long ago worked out this was all nothing to worry about and most definitely nothing to waste money on. Robert LePage "Just look out of the window and see what is going on right now." OK....wet, chilly, 3 deg below normal. Yep I can see why you're so scared :) "A shipping line is to start a service around the North of Russia is a bit of a clue there?" Wow, and its not as though the Arctic has been ice free before, right? Oh wait....http://phys.org/news143738391.html "will you denialists give up on this “it’s not happening nonsense”." I'll try to explain it to you Robert. Its not that people think it (warming) isn't happening. I'd venture that very few people think there hasn't been warming in the last 200yrs. the issue is what has caused the warming - man or natural forcings. Just saying, as you do, that its warmer therefore the case is proven, completely and utterly misses the point. The Marcott paper shows that temps previously were higher than now, presumably caused by natural forcings. Its yet to be shown that the current mild warming is not primarily natural Posted by mhaze, Friday, 5 April 2013 11:10:19 AM
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OK I give up.
But I hope I will still be around ( within the next 10 years or so) to say, "I told you so". Posted by Robert LePage, Friday, 5 April 2013 11:27:22 AM
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"But I hope I will still be around ( within the next 10 years or so) to say, "I told you so"."
I think you might need to wait a bit longer than 10yrs. The current projections, even from the warmist UK Met office, is for the current cooling and/or stasis to continue for at least another 5 yrs. So even if things then turn around and warmed like it did in the late 1970's, it still wouldn't be much warmer than now. Posted by mhaze, Friday, 5 April 2013 12:30:51 PM
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Not so fast, mhaze...
Have you any information on sea levels during similar warm periods during the Holocene? Oh looky, here's some: http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v5/n9/full/ngeo1536.html Do you have any projections related to the rapid rate of warming in modern times? Do you have any opinion on glacial melt and what effects it may have? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/world/americas/1600-years-of-ice-in-perus-andes-melted-in-25-years-scientists-say.html?smid=tw-nytimesscience&seid=auto&_r=0 http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2013/04/03/science.1234210 Nah...it's all happened before, so no probs..... Posted by Poirot, Friday, 5 April 2013 1:14:53 PM
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