Dear Ludwig,

We are back to the picture of the pipe. The number of letters or phrasing is merely the form in which the statement is put. That has nothing to do with the information contained in the statement. If the statement were translated into Italian the words and the number of words and letters would be quite different, but the information content would be the same - nil. Information content should not vary with an accurate translation. My grandfather was quite an alert old guy, and he repeated the statement every day in a ritualistic manner more or less because we expected him to do so. You are talking about the statement rather than the information contained in the statement. The information contained in a statement is independent of language, form or the mental disposition of the person making the statement.

Dear Ludwig,

To Poirot's pipe.

Scientist found that to hand rear a particular species of gull chicks they could not just put the food in front them and expect them to eat. They tried holding the food above their heads to mimic how their parents would have fed them but still no joy. Then one tried painting a peg yellow, attaching a pair of paper eyes to it and holding the meat in the end of the peg. Hey presto it worked. The chicks all sat there, mouths agape, screeching for their food.

For them there was a line crossed where the abstraction became mum.

Now imagine our painting done in a looser style where only 95% of the population recognises it as a pipe, is it still a pipe? What about 50%, or even just 5%? At what stage does is it not a pipe?

In truth there was no mother gull just as there was no pipe. Human or bird perceptions do not make abstractions reality.

That was not a pipe.

;)

Got another email today & I'm leaving it to you OLOers to make up your mind re
what is truth.
Mind you, this is general conversation on Cape York.

The sad thing about this is that when Ipswich flooded none of those residents was allowed to go to the air force base, it was considered too risky. Keep in mind that no one lives on Amberley base these days, but has huge amounts of accommodation, an officer's mess kitchen ( now unused) a movie theatre, could have helped with the kids. Endless source of water, electricity and room for vehicles... But NO, they were not allowed to go there, but Muslims that have disrespected our Air Force base in Weipa are allowed to stay.

WHAT IS GOING ON in this country?

Received this info from a friend of a friend who drives the pilot boat in Weipa:-

Three hundred boat people have been housed at RAAF Sherger Air Base in Weipa.

All are being accepted into Australia .
All are men.

All receive the pension same as our pensioners – all get the same amount again for hardship payment – this equals twice what our pensioners get.

All receive fifty dollars a day for spending money.

Security staff employed to watch them.

Chefs employed to feed them (one quarter of a tonne of chicken a day alone is cooked).

They won't pick up their own rubbish.

There was a massive dispute because they didn't like the radio station.

Another dispute because batteries were flat for the Nintendo games.

Tents set up for mosque prayers had to be air conditioned.

The Bores/Wells set up to run RAAF Sherger adequately are now dry because taps are left running all day long.

Sewerage systems now blocked with condoms (??) supplied to them (and all of them are men remember)

Dept of Immigration & Citizenship (DIAC) wants Dept of Defence to pay all the bills so they can hide the costs of allowing three hundred refugees into the country from taxpaying Australians.

Australia needs to know.

Can we agree that they are not philosophers and are dimwits?
Mr Opinion,
sorry about the late reply but I've been out in Telstra Country (no coverage) again, only just got back.
The answer to your question is yes, the majority are dimwits & also pseudo philosophers.
A very small number of engineering Uni graduates are actually proud owners of any level of competence. The majority are from my experience a gross waste of our tax money.

Dear individual,

Hearing news like this makes me want to sit down and write a book: The Country That Was Australia.

David f, the key thing is that the parameters be defined and that the meanings of everything involved be concise. Once you have these prerequisites, you can indeed assert truth.

The actual words, letters or language and all possible alternate meanings of all words, terms and phrases, become inconsequential once you know concisely what is being asserted.

<< The information contained in a statement is independent of language, form or the mental disposition of the person making the statement. >>

The information pertaining to the intent of the statement might be independent of these things, but there is other information contained in all statements, as I outlined in my last post. And some of this information will differ with different words or language.