Dear Banjo,

All truth is not information. My grandfather used to say, "Today, it will either rain or not rain." The sentence is analytic. An analytic sentence is true under all circumstances but provides no information.

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Dear David F

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How right you are. Your grandfather spoke but he did not say anything. He did not communicate any information.
No information, no truth.

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Dear Banjo,

>>it is my view is that all truth is information, but only that information which has not been deliberately deformed.<<

I appreciate that you present these things as a subjective view; neither can I offer anything but my personal view on these abstract concepts (except where mathematics is concerned, although even there I managed a silly blunder).

I am not sure what you would mean by “deliberately deformed” if you used the term “information” in its contemporary sense as a sequence of symbols from an input-output alphabet (as described e.g. in Wikipedia under that name).

As for truth, as I said, I prefer not to use that tern at all, and speak instead of ”true (or truthful) statements” (except for a religious context, but even there I prefer not to analyse the concept). For instance, david f grandfather’s statement is true by default (it is a tautology), irrespective of how you “define truth”.

Dear Banjo,

My grandfather spoke truth without information. His statement was true but contained no information. His statement was logically consistent and did not contradict facts. Therefore it was true. Truth need not contain information.

To all those who are not fortunate enough to be arts graduates may I suggest that you enrol yourself into an epistemology class if you are interested in the topic of this thread instead of trying to reinvent the Cartesian wheel.

<< Truth need not contain information >>

What an interesting concept, david f!

I can’t see how that could possibly be true. Surely if there is no information, then there can be no truth or falseness about it.

<< “Today, it will either rain or not rain” >> is a statement that DOES contain information, isn’t it?