runner,

"....the current handbag brigade see far more deaths through useless border protection laws than Maggie did even with war. I'm sure you are proud of them."

Again

"I'm sure you are proud of them."

You surely are a low form of something, MATE.

Insinuating that a fellow poster is somehow celebrating the tragedy which befalls some asylum seekers is really plumbing the depths.

As far as I can make out, you represent the antithesis of that which you claim to represent.

Hay, if we can find another Falklands I'd happily send our Julia off to it. I'd even pay the fare myself.

Come to think of it, why don't we replace our troops in Afghanistan with this tough lady. One glimpse of this tough lady would have the Taliban hiding in their caves in terror, there to stay for ever, just like she is trying to do to us here.

Hi Poirot,

The fascist generals in Argentina povoked the war in the Falklands by invading first the South Georgia Islands, then the Falklands, desperate to seize some sort of populist support. Thatcher didn't have much to do with it. She was elected (a), the Argentinians invaded the Falklands (b): (b) was no caused by (a), it merely followed it in time.

I think they call this fallacy: ex post hoc, ergo propter hoc - one thing follows another, therefore the first thing causes the second.

I hppe you find this useful in future.

Joe

I had almost given up on the forum due to the many (not all) rather inane remarks couched in language that indicated a brevity of actual thought and little deep expression.

O Sung Wu and others have raised the bar with their intellect in articulating their points of view and they has been a pleasure to read even though I may disagree with some of the arguments.

I would only add that much as I dislike Julia, Wayne and Tony as personalities, It is the policies that they endorse that is important. Unfortunately, it is the former that tends to sway a proportion of the electorate. That, and the amount of largess that they are promised from other people's pockets. There has to be a limit to the expectations of the electorate that someone else will pick up the bill. This country was built on free-enterprise and in spite of all the past mistakes and exploitation, it is still one of the best and richest countries in the world in which to live. So I come down forcibly on the conservative side and always have.

Loudmouth,

I didn't suggest that Maggie had anything to do with the advent of the war, just that it was propitious for her that it arose at that particular juncture.

o sung wu said;
the ability, to make a decision, even the WRONG decision, and stick to it

This is unfortunately something that just too many politicians do.
It is I think pride that gets in the way of a climb down and a reversal
of policy. In personal discussions with politicians, only three, I have
seen this in real life.

Even if it is something that is a policy free subject, they are deaf to change.