Bazz , I would be interested to know your policy stance on ETHANOL Production both at home and in the Brazilian rainforests ?

Ethanol Production is getting up a head of steam here as farmers and companies consider if they can legally plough up their undeveloped "back Paddock" ie.code for remnant,increasingly scarce and rare native vegetation,or stop producing food crops , to get into the market to fuel gas guzzlers both here and overseas.

I can only hope that not one square metre of "new ground" [ With all it's ancient biodiversity ] as the old fellows call it, is allowed to be bulldozed, sprayed and ploughed for crop ethanol production .

Ethanol production must not lead to more environmental degradation- it must be confined to existing cultivation areas .

Bazz , Apologies ! The above post is directed to Freediver .

OK Katiya Jim,
Agree with your concerns re ethanol.
I am by no means a greeny but ethanol is a loser in a big way.
The Mexicans are rioting over the cost of maize based food increasing
in price because of ethanol production. We don't need that problem
here either. It has a poor EROEI (Output for input).

"It will because the demand will reduce each year and match supply."

No. The demand will not go down. Limiting consumption in one country does not limit demand, it limits the supply. The more you limit supply, the higher the price. This scheme has nothing to do with sustainability. It is all about some arbitrary 'social justice' goal involving giving away scarce resources to poor countries.

"It has nothing to do with tax or capping. It is done by the importing
countries reducing their orders for oil by the depletion percentage."

That is a cap. It requires the government to place a limit on the amount of fuel available in the country.

"The market is a feedback loop and if any one component in a feedback
loop limits the feedback loop stops responding then the control stops
functioning. The limit in this case is supply."

Wrong. On all counts. You do not understand feedback loops or the economic situation.

"I don't know how I can make it simpler to understand just go and read
what the experts propose."

They are either not experts or they have different goals.

On the topic of ethanol:

The problem with biofuels:

http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1169519086

Freediver,
Sorry but you do not seem to have any understanding of what
a feedback loop is. It cannot function if one parameter cannot respond.

>That is a cap. It requires the government to place a limit on the >amount of fuel available in the country.

EXACTLY !

"The market is a feedback loop and if any one component in a feedback
loop limits the feedback loop stops responding then the control stops
functioning. The limit in this case is supply."
Do you understand what limiting means in this context ?

>Wrong. On all counts. You do not understand feedback loops or the >economic situation.

That statement proves you don't understand feedback loops.
I hope you were never involved with process control.

There is no point in continuing this discussion if you are not
prepared to learn.

"That statement proves you don't understand feedback loops.
I hope you were never involved with process control."

I have worked in R&D and consulting with feedback control loops. I know what I am talking about.