Anthony Mundine was defeated, in a unanimous decision, by the IBF middleweight title holder last night.

Mundine whinged, "I was robbed". The whinger suggested that officials had conspired against him. In his usual poor English he also said, "I told you before the fight. I said they're gonna rob me. I said I'm gonna beat him. The fans gonna judge it and they're gonna rob me. And that's exactly what happened".

There's 2 things that Mundine is the World Champion at, whinging and being a sore loser.

The decision was the best decision for skill and sportmanship.

the stinking attitude can is largely a problem produced by academics who have preached a victim mentality to the indigeneous Australians. They love to distort history to make a name for themselves.

Runner,
Don't play the aboriginal victim card as an excuse for attitude. Tony Mundine lost because he wasn't good enough. End of story. His personality however wouldn't let go away gracefully not his indigenous background. Idiots come in all colors. This is a great time for Tony to walk away from any news I read or watch. Please.

Dear Dell,

Anthony Mundine is more than just a "whinger,
and sore loser," as you claim.

He reminds me of Ali - who certainly knew how to
sell tickets and attract attention with his
"trash talk."

Mundine's fight was a sell out. People paid to
watch in large numbers (many probably paid to see him
beaten).

But I guess, that's sport.
Like him or not - he like Ali has the ability to
attract huge crowds.

Lexi.
Ali after losing to Trevor Berbick:

"The things I wanted to do, I couldn't do," Ali said. "I was doing my best. I did good for a 39-year-old."

"I think I'm finished," he said. "I know it's the end. I'm not crazy. After Holmes, I had excuses. I was too light. Didn't breathe right. No excuses this time. I'm happy. I'm still pretty. I could have a black eye. Broken teeth. Split lips. I think I came out all right for an old man."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1125095/5/index.htm

Lexi, comparing that sore loser Mundine to Ali is utterly ridiculous. Mundine does NOT attract huge crowds, he has never been good for boxing, people despise him for his bitter, twisted manner.
Almost anybody these days can fight at the "so called" top level, because there's literally dozens of different versions of a multitude of titles. Back in Ali's days, there was just a handful of available titles and you really HAD to be the best in the world to get that title.

Compared to Ali, Mundine is a virtually unknown nonentity. Ask general populations outside of Australia who Mundine is, and they'll reply "who?". Mundine is known in Australia primarily for his whinging, sour attitude and NOT for his boxing. He's an immature child who has yet to grow up and become an actual man.

Dear Dell,

So I take it that you're disputing the fact
that Mundine's fight was not a sell out,
that people did not pay to watch it in
large numbers and that he does not know how
to sell tickets or that his "trash talk," does not
give him any publicity (shades of Ali).

I'm looking for a an appropriate word that
would accurately describe your opinion...
"inaccurate" might do it.

Lexi, that's a strawman response. Do you know what a "strawman response" is? Probably not. It's when you say that someone is saying what he actually DIDN'T say, then you argue against what he didn't say. Nice try Lexi, better luck next time.

The boxer who beat Mundine must be racist because he didn't let Mundine win.

Lexi, that's a strawman response.
Dell,
Well, it might just be Lexi's standard like so many other of her responses.

G'day LEXI...

I couldn't agree with you more ! Like him or not, he's sufficiently savvy to know how to generate all manner of controversy and dissension to a point where most people dislike him immensely, to a point they'd like to see him resoundingly beaten.

Interestingly, years ago I met his Dad (Tony) at, of all places, Parramatta Gaol. It was a Sunday morning, we'd just dropped off this crook, after an out-of-hours hearing at Parramatta Court, and met Tony and his entourage coming into the gaol, as we were leaving. We had a five minute chat, and that was that.

Apparently, he (Tony) used to teach the crims boxing every couple of weeks or so and was well regarded by many, for both his civic work as well as his personal behaviour. Never met the son, but prima facie, he (the son), seems a 'mug'. Where his Dad, a gentleman.

Though, what would I know.

Dear Dell,

So you're not disputing then all the things that
I've listed earlier. Nice to know.
As for your reference to a strawman response?
Nah. you got that wrong. I was merely being
facetious - but perhaps a tad too subtle for you.

Dear Individual,

I don't play the race card - so you're on your own.

Dear o sung wu,

Thanks for that.

We're all products of our environment I guess.
I'm glad that you found his father to be
a gentleman. His work with inmates sounds
like a worthy endeavour

Good old OLO.....always throws up a deep and meaningful subject for people to discuss.

Talk about bitter and twisted manners and sour attitudes.

I wonder what it takes to think up a thread like this?

: )

Piorot, why are you so bitter towards the subject of Anthony Mundine's defeat? It's topical, it happened very recently, it's in the news. It's very appropriate to bring up the subject, especially in Australia. Not so appropriate elsewhere, as Mundine is close to unknown by the general populations of nearly all other countries.

Sorry, Dell, but judging from your opening post I assumed you'd started this thread with sole intention of hurling derision at Mundine.

I agree with Lexi that his antics are part of his boxing persona spiel.

As it happens, I don't particularly care whether he won or lost.

Poirot, it's not Mundine's boxing "spiel". He is actually like that; in other words, he rarely graciously accepts defeat in a sportsman like way. Even when he wins, he finds it difficult to be gracious, especially when he bears antipathy towards his opponent. He's not putting on an act. He believes what he says. His sportsmanship is severely lacking, and as most Aussies know his manner is aggressive, relatively uneducated, extremely arrogant and immature. That's why he is so disliked. That's the way he is.

Compare his immature manner and lack of sportsmanship to truly great Aussie boxers like Jimmy Carruthers or Lionel Rose. Mundine doesn't even rate at the lowest level against the sportsmanship of those greats.

I don't play the race card - so you're on your own.
Lexi,
Just wait for what I predicted to surface.

As it happens, I don't particularly care whether he won or lost.
Poirot,
I'm with you on that. I just happen to have very good insight on matters of mentality vs mentality & I assure you Anthony isn't even up to his father's ankles so far as dignity goes.

Our country embarrasses its sportsmen.
In Mundines case firmly by the throat.
It is a self inflicted move the man, I differ with that term, bought it all on himself.
No sports man, or woman, in out country,s history is so, well lets water it down, disliked.
Yet his dad was and remains a gentle man, deeply concerned about his sons mental health.
Only such a man as Mundine, and his disciple Sonny Bill Williams, can not see the result was right.
And Celebrated by Australia as much as any Gold Medal ever was.
Mundine will continue to be a racist, and harming his own people, not serving them.

Do you think Julia will want him to run for parliament in her team?

run for parliament in her team?
Hasbeen,
For crying out loud, don't give 'em an ideas ! Next thing we see will be a skate boarder or a reggae whiner.

Lexi you may well be aware.
Mundane,[not miss spelled] tried to be Ali like, he was never in that class.
It took Wit and brains to be Ali.
The fool became, yes true, a Muslim, in an effort to become Ali like.
Mundane, an ex great player in my NRL team, always spoke/speaks as he did about this fight.
Few pence short of the dollar he was upset Ali would never talk to him, seeing him for what he is.
Hasbeens attempt to provoke me, earns him life membership of Mundanes mugs, a racist team of hangers on who, like their boss, say truly silly things.
Re look at the pure racist history of this BUM, he slandered his opponents wife, for being white, and said *he thought all Tasmanian Aboriginals had been wiped out, to denigrate his opponent.
CUTE, some hurled verbal missiles and a journalist who got in trouble for just that!
Be content knowing future racist words from this drop kick, as he trys to become his peoples mouth piece will inflame us again.
That journalist has the same mentality as Mundane, but this sporting nation gloats, that Mad Mundane got it in the end.

Dear Belly,

Thanks for sharing your opinion with me.

You may well be right about the man.
I don't know him. I was merely trying to
introduce a bit of rationality into what
looked to me like an unecessary attack
on a person.

Therefore I tried to point out facts like -
his fight was a sell out, people did pay to watch in large
numbers - and that he (like Ali) took part
in "trash talk" and seemed to know how to
sell tickets. I didn't go any deeper into
the man's psyche - because I don't know him
to be able to do that and I didn't want to
make any sweeping statements or generalisations
about a person I really didn't know.

Anyway, this thread has now run its course for me.
See you on the next one.

Cheers.

Hi there BELLY, HASBEEN & INDIVIDUAL...

What a brilliant idea ! Anthony Mundine and Sonny Bill Williams entering federal Parliament. Both these two gentlemen could really liven up proceedings during question time. The only difficulty that I could see, is which lucky Party would get the benefit of their immense perspicacity and goodwill ?

Somehow, I don't think the Labour front bench would necessarily welcome their imput, nor would the Opposition Party either. Their combined intellect, giant as it is, would simply immerse both Parties in a sea of indisputable logic and intuitive dialogue. For that reason, the welcome mat most probably, would not be laid out.

Of course there's always Bob Katter's Party, and if Pauline Hansen was still around, they'd be of immeasurable benefit to either. There again, perhaps I'm wrong on all counts.

I guess the only realistic option open to them, is to once more return to the world of academia. A place where both are highly valued, and they'd feel far more comfortable in such a scholarly and cerebral environment, a place that would cater to their strong altruistic values too. I guess we all have a niche ?

A political "Progressive" would support both, just on account of.

The Greens welcome anyone who claims victim "isms". It is good for getting the front page. As any Greens seat warmer in the Senate would attest, that IS what it is all about. Too easy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_MBwQhGgA

I guess we all have a niche ?
o sung wu,
yes we do. Hm, that rhymes :-) Anyhow, the only difference is that our niches aren't handsomely supported by Taxpayers' dollars.

Hi there INDIVIDUAL...

Yeah of course your right. The thing that always intrigues me, is how a couple of dullards like these two get such a following ? And somebody else said earlier, Anthony Mundine's not a patch on his father Tony. Tony is a humble bloke who doesn't have a need to 'bluster' his way around the place like his extraordinarily stupefied son.

Still, it takes all kinds I suppose ?

I would suggest that Mundine is 'stupefied' because of numerous head injuries from boxing over many years o sung wu.

The violent sport of boxing should be banned.
Too many people end up like Ali, with long term brain injuries...

>>The violent sport of boxing should be banned.
Too many people end up like Ali, with long term brain injuries...<<

Just reintroduce bare-knuckle boxing. The gloves are there for hand protection not head protection. They might actually increase the risk of brain injury because they allow fighters make harder strikes to the head without hurting their hands. From wikipedia:

>>Hitting to the head was less common in the bare-knuckle era because of the risk of hurting the boxer's hand. Gloves reduce the amount of cuts caused, but British Medical Association research has stated that gloves do not reduce brain injuries and may even increase them, because the main cause of injury is acceleration and deceleration of the head, and fighters wearing gloves are able to punch harder to the head.<<

Cheers,

Tony

"I would suggest that Mundine is 'stupefied' because of numerous head injuries from boxing over many years"

Of course! There just had to be some excuse. He is not responsible.

Except where he happened to win a fight, which by definition would be a different matter entirely.

Mr. Mundine like most of his ilk have an identity problem. He really does believe he is JC reincarnated. Perhaps he should adopt Islam...or has he already?

It really is a pity.

Mundine had the ability to become a much loved Rugby League great. He might even have become another Beetson, with the right character, he was good enough.

I guess it is a factor of his character that made him become a despised fighter.

Good evening to you SUSEONLINE...

I think you may well be right. I should think being hit in the head, as often as a professional fighter is, must in some way increase the chances of some sort of neurological impairment. The ex pugs that I've come across in the past, most are still quite agressive, but relatively harmless, until they hit the booze, then watch out, it's on for young and old.

Unfortunately, some ex pugs can't delineate between an opponent in the ring, and their poor wives. Thus many become involved in domestic violence issues. Usually involving too much booze - it's all rather sad really ?

A promising ex light heavyweight I knew, who TWICE went the distance with Bobby Dunlop, ex Aussie and Empire Light Heavyweight Champion. I knew this fella well, when I was stationed at Coogee. He worked the door's at the old Oceanic Hotel, in Coogee Bay. Unfortunately he hit a real hurdle, in which I was directly involved.

I tried to give him a real serious 'nod', and he wouldn't take the hint. Anyway some four or five years later, I heard he was shot dead outside a laundramat he owned up at the Junction ! He insisted on 'hanging loose' with some of Sydney's hardmen in the area, thinking his fighting prowess, would intimidate everyone, but it didn't when your opponent's 'carry heat' ?

You see SUSE, they'll never learn. Because you're tough and handy in the ring, it means nothing when your trying to 'heavy' real crooks. I don't know if I can name this bloke here, afterall he's dead ? I guess I best not.

See you SUSEONLINE.

Tony Lavis,
I saw Dana White and Forrest Griffin on TV talking to a group of kids about the stupidity of organising informal "fight clubs", they said that in the history of pro MMA to that point there had been no deaths or disabling injuries among fighters, I wonder if the more stripped back format of MMA plays a part in this? I won't say they're less safety conscious but they only wear those grappling gloves with the light padding and according to wikipedia the same theory is applied, the gloves were introduced to facilitate more striking blows and punches to create a more visceral spectacle for the fans and to reduce the stoppage times due to cuts and abrasions.

I am afraid suseonline Anthony was born with that brain and mouth is not connected to it.
o sung wo, my dad moved us often at a stage in my life.
And for a short time to Summer Hill in Sydney.
I got to hang around Erny Macqillans jim.
A young local fighting international fighters got me involved.
So I met Rohan Greentree when he fought and natures gentleman Tony Mundine.
More too, I remember loose lips Anthony on the morning after 7/11 saying America deserved it!
He went miles past Bolt in his openly RACIST COMMENTS.
Can we understand this, the bloke had no interest in any God.
He took a religion he has no doubt grown in to, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO LOOK LIKE ALI.
Lexi said the thread was a bit harsh.
Try standing in ANY packed pub on a Mundine fight night, every white wanting even begging him to be knocked out!
For an incite in the the man do not look at his great skills, he has that, look at the scrambled eggs brain that produces his strange words.
And know he has always been an idiot.
Trash talk? it should play no roll in Australia, calling men bitches? inferring sex with ones mother.
Screaming insults in front of cameras and falling in to one another arms laughing after? not for me.

Belly,
The really sad part is that there are not enough Tony Mundine's & too many Anthony Mundine's.
It's becoming an epidemic that is talked down by academic do-gooders for nothing more than ensuring their personal gains.
The acronym for academia should rightly be hypocrisy.

Ho, Ho...individual...

It really takes some contortion for your to blame academia (your fav hobby-horse) for the fact that a certain boxer is a belligerent git : )

(I don't know who'd get their jollies from watching men beat each other about - give me Federer any day...)

Poirot,

Here's an early fight of Mundine's (he's on the left and fighting under an assumed name):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y77n--Af1qo

What's wrong with that? I don't know what sort of weird sicko gets their jollies watching tennis - the world's least exciting sport since competitive grass-growth watching fell out of favour in the 18th century - and I don't see how they can regard it as more entertaining than watching one healthy man beating the living daylights out of a little schoolgirl.

Cheers,

Tony

Belly,
Isn't Anthony Mundine's Mum White?
That's the problem with people like him blathering on about White "Racism", he's more closely related to me than he is to many other Aboriginals.
At any rate, I recall a piece in the Age on one of his rants about how he'd been held down by White "Racists", the accompanying photo was of Mundine in a Zoot suit complete with gold fob watch getting out of his Lamborghini. "Held back" indeed.

that a certain boxer is a belligerent git : )
Poirot,
If you read my remark again you'll see that I meant way beyond the boxer.

'afternoon to you BELLY...

Ern Macquillan's gym ! A very famous hangout for pugs in it's day. I've never been there but I met 'the man' Ern, one night at 'South Sydney's' when they held regular fight nights there.

A nice enough bloke, not tall and rather 'round' I suppose you'd say, but worshipped by his stable of boys. Myself, I trained a bit at the legendary Tom Lemmings gym, in Glebe, when younger of course.
Couldn't get up the stairs now I suspect. I'm sure you'd know the place BELLY, quite sure ?

Don't know about Ern, but Tommy Lemming wouldn't tolerate Mundine's juvenile outbursts for a second, before he'd endup flat on his back, and banned from the gym indefinately ! The same for old Billy McConnell, never went to his gym either, met him at the Stadium quite often, he enforced strict behaviour and discipline on all of those in his stable, else they're out on their backsides too !

Another thing that got up Billy's nose was being late for training/sparring sessions. As you can appreciate, a sparring partner often needed seperate payment, for the rounds he'd work with you, and if you were late, that not only caused inconvenience, but money.

Gotta say, I used to love doing duty at the fights, met some very colourful characters, but rarely was there any trouble, only a bit when boxing was held in the Leagues Clubs, where drinking was permitted. They were good days, eh BELLY ol' chap !

JOM, YES his mum is white.
Poirot so very true , I want better for our first nation, and it is a shame so many of them do not share that wish.
But know, the bloke who beat Mundine is a great Ambassador for his race, and his people, his self and delivered much needed retribution for his wife
O sung wo, yes we lived in good times, remember Bobby Dunlop?
It was my honor to see him as a mate.
He was the one I followed to that Gym, see? got the spelling right!
A pug from Summer hill, never got in to the ring, about my age, was never beaten, but took the wrong path and you mob cleaned up his act.
A woman shop owner danced at the Tivoli, nice woman gave the street people free tea and scones.
I need to say this, I have only contempt for Bolt, Andrew that is.
But Mundane,said so very much worse, about his opponent, his wife, and Tasmanian Aboriginals.
WE ARE BLINDED BY PC, if Bolt can be fined for less, if the bloke who said it had been white, well we know do we not.
A thin line is drawn between true racism based on color not truth.
In my day insulting a mans wife or mother bought on a fight.

Hi BELLY...

Mate you've got to stop this !!

Taking me down memory lane is not good for us old blokes you know BELLY, living our remaining lives in a state of reminiscence - Yes, Bob Dunlop he could hold his hands up eh ? Fought a bloke called Paddy DeLargey (dec) an irishman, Bob TKO'd him ( I think ??) Paddy was a real 'fighter', brought up in the backstreets of Galway Bay Ireland, family as poor as a church mouse, he fought the then, World Light Heavyweight Champion, Dick Tiger of Nigeria (in London) Tiger knocked him out in the 15th I believe. They were the days of 15 rounds in a world title fight. Though Paddy could fight like a demon, particularly 'out of the ring' with a bit of 'p..s' in him. never gave me an ounce of trouble......just as well for me !
Thanks a lot BELLY ol' man.

Good on you o sung wo, mate our memory's are ours forever and I treasure them, even the bad ones.
But Always know it is the little joys life brings that feed us.
Still stuck on sports watched the cricket last night, nearly ate a cushion, was a near thing.
Boxing back then seems to have had a little more class to it.
regards.

Hi there BELLY ol' mate...

Missed the cricket unfortunately. You're so very very right BELLY,
boxing back in the sixties, seventies, even the eighties did have some class, both in terms of behaviour and the high standards of fighters both in the ring and out. There were a few exceptions of course, just a few.

Memories, memories ? There's YOU, HASBEEN, LEXI, and a few others, to a certain extent, have revived some very happy events in my life, simply by the general thrust of their discussions. Maybe a sentence, even just a word, a place name, an event...anything really, will do it I reckon.

Take care ol' friend, you're both valued and needed !

Cheers...Sung Wu.

Lexi,

How on earth can you compare Muhammad Ali with Mundine. Ali had wit -spoke like a butterly, stung like a bee.

A point needs making.
Lexi may not be alone in looking for the best in motor mouth.
But in saying he was trying to improve the gate, not just being himself.
I offer this question, post fight, after he clearly was beaten, why did he, followed by Sonny Bill w A&er say he had been robbed?
We love our sportsmen but revel in the downfall of motor mouth, that says it all.

Dear Constance,

The only comparison that I'm making with
Ali - is Mundine's ability to sell tickets
and his "trash talk," to attract the media.
Apart from that as I've stated earlier - I
don't know the man at all.

Lexi, friend, in truth most of the gentlemans obnoxious comments, came during his in between fights.
Even while he was, pre fighting, a star at my football club.
A pub, in Nelsons bay.
Has a photo of him on his back, in the ring, in Germany.
Offers to buy it, attempt to steal it, are massive.
And it is many years past that date.
Want to be rich?
Sell that photo as a screen saver and watch sporting Australia flock to buy it.

Dear Belly,

I'm going to quietly retreat to my corner now.
I obviously am out of my depth here.

Lexi please do not take it to heart.
Sport is the heart of this country.
This morning as a result of the recent drug news, Aussies are broken hearted.
But a truth exists too, find me in our history a Champion sports man, Mundene has been, in football,and fighting, that has so few fans.
NO NOT RACISM, Lionel Rose was loved, even forgiven for some problems with the law.
Mundene, and his ranting racist, yes IMO close followers,made their own bed.
It would be less than honest, for me in such a thread not to say it like it is.
Anthony Mundene will further damage his reputation in the future, it is his nature.

Dear Belly,

I'm not taking it to heart.
Merely exiting - because as I
stated earlier - I don't know enough
about Mr Mundine - so I'll leave things
with you folks who do.