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The Seas are Rising, the Earth is Flat.
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Posted by Belly, Friday, 18 January 2013 2:57:30 PM
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The skeptic argument...
Sea level rise is exaggerated "We are told sea level is rising and will soon swamp all of our cities. Everybody knows that the Pacific island of Tuvalu is sinking. ... Around 1990 it became obvious the local tide-gauge did not agree - there was no evidence of 'sinking.' So scientists at Flinders University, Adelaide, set up new, modern, tide-gauges in 12 Pacific islands. Recently, the whole project was abandoned as there was no sign of a change in sea level at any of the 12 islands for the past 16 years." (Vincent Gray). What the science says... Select a level... Basic Intermediate A variety of different measurements find steadily rising sea levels over the past century. Gavin Schmidt investigated the source of the specific claim that tide gauges on islands in the Pacific Ocean show no sea level rise, and found that the data show a rising sea level trend at every single station. But what about global sea level rise? Sea level rises as ice on land melts and as warming ocean waters expand. Sea level rise mutually corroborates other evidence of global warming as well as being a threat to coastal habitation and environments. The blue line in the graph below clearly shows sea level as rising, while the upward curve suggests sea level is rising faster as time goes on. Because the behavior of sea level is such an important diagnostic aid for tracking climate change, skeptics seize on the sea level record in an effort to cast doubt on this evidence. Sea level bounces up and down slightly from year to year so it's possible to cherry-pick data falsely suggesting the overall trend is flat, falling or linear. You can try this yourself. Starting with two closely spaced data points on the graph below, lay a straight-edge between them and notice how for a short period of time you may create almost any slope you prefer, simply by being selective about what data points you use. Now choose data points farther apart. Posted by 579, Friday, 18 January 2013 3:04:17 PM
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Belly,
"I want to ignore you, can you do that for me?" Absolutely!! Posted by Poirot, Friday, 18 January 2013 3:25:19 PM
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I was just about to send Hb a nasty post for hooking into our journo's.
sonofgloin, Why persecute HB for stating a fact ? Has PC gone beyond mad ? many young Journos are largely wingless parrots & cut & paste jockeys & the handful of realistic & good reporters are being overlooked. The SMH has a couple excellent reporters. T Allen comes to mind. Posted by individual, Friday, 18 January 2013 5:13:46 PM
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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/9
Worth a read. Time consuming but then again other sources may be read quickly but not get truth involved. Posted by Belly, Friday, 18 January 2013 5:25:24 PM
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Lexi and Belly, we read a link with graphs and eminent names that proclaims “A”.
Then we read links with the same formats proclaiming “B”. As I said I just keep looking at the environment around me and base my stance on that. 579 mentioned Tuvalu so I found “Tuvulu is sinking” and “Tuvalu is not sinking” sites. I phoned a mate in Fiji this afternoon and asked if he has noted higher water levels over the past 25 years……He said the beaches seem the same and the jetties have not been swamped. The same qualification my relatives up the coast gave me. One based on individual experience. To my mind it is about agenda and the CAGW lobby have a tax as the solution….that alone concerns me. Indi, I wasn’t having a go at Hb, I was playing with Poirot, we like to play. Didn’t you mention something about smiley faces to convey intent a thread ago….I should have put lol at the end. Posted by sonofgloin, Friday, 18 January 2013 6:22:37 PM
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Sonofgloin you time and again post negativity about climate change, this thread is such.
You are not alone but surely you know not every one agrees?
Sydney broke a record today, it may yet be broken again, 45.7 degrees hottest day since 1930 some thing.
Inside my home, 10 am, nine when accounting for day light saving.
Temp was 80 now? should be peak, 95 degrees in the old scale.
Now I am 35 klm from the sea as the crow flys.
And on Saturday the inside temp rose to 42, out side on veranda face up, reading was 50!
Yes records are made to be broken, know that, but so many word wide.
Poirot lets call it over, you and I are not going to ever recover from our differences.
SOG insulted me, you took the chance for a weak shot.
Csteele and you ended our passing friendship, I want to ignore you, can you do that for me?
I need to stay away from constant verbal combat, your willingness to intrude in an issue between me and SOG is unwanted.