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Forum members thoughts on the National Broadband rollout

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Cossomby: Or was there a change in attitude in the 20C?

I think there was a change of attitude. Australia at the beginning of the 20 century was very progressive. We actually had the first Aircraft manufacturing factory in Australia. At Beverley in WA. The Government took away their licence because they couldn't see any future in air travel. As the century progressed Australia became more & more conservative. It's even worse today. Australia had the world’s best Computer. It was shut down as there was obviously no use for such an expensive toy. We had the best Transistor research facility in the world until a politician stood up in Parliament held up a tiny transistor & a Valve & said this little thing will never replace the valve. & the research into Transistors was shut down. The list goes on & on.
My favourite. I was doing my Sergeants Course & asked the Question. When the rest of the World’s Armed forces went to Self Loading Rifles (repeaters) Australia retained the single shot .303. When the rest of the worlds Armed Forces went to Automatics, Australia’s Armed Forces went to SLR’s. Our present day tactics require us to initiate a Company attack on an automatic weapon & now every common enemy soldier has one. Why is the Australian Army so far behind the rest of the world? I almost failed my Sgt’s because of that Question. My Report. This Soldier does not support the current Army Warfare teachings. I had a lot of talking to do to get a pass.

So Australia is stuck with people running the Country that are very conservative & unwilling to change to anything that hasn’t been tested for 20 years before upgrading to the new technology.
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 5:13:13 PM
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Well, a few things to reply to here.
579 o/p;
To put a bottle neck in the middle of a freeway does not make sense.

err, thats just the point, the copper is not in the middle of the
freeway, it is after the off ramp.
Of course Telstra is running down and emptying their exchanges, in fact
they have been 3/4 empty for years, the NBN is replacing Telstra's
business so they will have no need of the buildings.

>Some areas date back 100 years,
That long ago they didn't have underground cable it was on poles and
cross bars.

>Technology has moved along, 100 mb/s is the new technology.
How many will want to pay the 100Mb charge ?

Wobbles said;
Would you consider building a new National Highway or Railway by
breaking it up into 1km parcels?

Not sure I understand that statement. In fact certain I dont understand it.

Worldwatcher said;
Bazz, I found your comment saying that no tenders had been let for
this rollout rather disturbing.

I suspect the main reason was that no business plan was adopted.
Rudd & Combe worked out the organisational structure on a plane flight
to Brisbane. Many try to say they worked out the architecture on that
flight but thats ridiculous. They wouldn't know how.
To be continued:
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 7:58:14 PM
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My goodness, that is the first time in a long time that I babbled on so long;
Cossomby said;
Even with ADSL, I still have to send and receive some big files by CD/post.

Boy they must indeed be big files. Even at 1Mbit a second you could
have sent 900Mbit before you reached the PO 15 minutes away.
Then say sitting in the po box for 4 hours, a full day by express post.
Hmm, something wrong there.
However even if you pay for 100Mbit, what makes you think you will be
able to send at that rate ?
All you will get is longer wait times between packets.
Yes Cossomby there is a lot in what you say about the development of
new technologies.

Our problem now is most countries in the world are bankrupt including
the Australian government.
Yes, bankrupt, ie when you cannot pay your debts !
We are facing a time of zero growth which has a very simple result;
there is no new finance resulting from
growth to fund new infrastructure without introducing new finance.
The only place the government will get new finance is in Canberra at
the note printing factory. Either that or pixel money from some
bureaucrat's desktop.
What the hell do you think is going on in Europe & the US at present ?
Here we are arguing about whether we should have 100Mbit everywhere !
Why the hell are we not arguing about reconstruction of our railways
and shipping fleets ? Do you really think the future world is just
going to be more of the same.
A continuing race for faster and faster gaming and porn !
Compared to what we are really facing, ie feeding the people our
obsession with the internet and tweeting twits descends into farce.
Nothing has been learnt since the collapse of Rome, they went into
Chariot Races and Circuses also.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY !
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 8:09:28 PM
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I have current downlosd speeds of up to 500mb with telstra, who needs it faster?
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 8:32:15 PM
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Jayb said;
Australia had the world’s best Computer.It was shut down as there was
obviously no use for such an expensive toy.

That is not what happened at all.
I presume you are talking of Sylliac which was in the process of being
replaced by the KDF9 which had just been installed.
Sylliac was a modified copy of Illiac the Uni of Illinois m/c which
was about 5 years old at the time.
I saw Syilliac running shortly before it was put to sleep.
There was giant step between Syilliac and the KDF9.
There was no way that anyone in Australia was able to match the
development of computing in the UK at that time.
Britain still had the lead in computing at the time due to the drive
resulting from Bletchly Park and Farnborough with ACE.
There was reputed to be a m/c at ASIO that was pretty good but the
manufacturing technology was a big step to produce m/c like the KDF9.
ps interesting bit, the Russians were reported to have been decoding
bit streams off the wire fence surrounding the ASIO m/c.
Well that was the rumour in the industry anyway.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 8:36:26 PM
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chrisgaff1000, said that he is getting 500Mbit from Telstra !
Are you sure ? How much is that costing and how do you do it ?
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 8:45:30 PM
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