paleif, from your link:
"On a personal note I encourage all middlemen agents to get involved with this company before I personally put each and everyone of you out of business."

"Given the choice I would prefer to gather you all up and put you all on a ship live to Saudi Arabia and perhaps stop half way or somewhere across that dreaded trip and chuck a couple of you down into the mincers alive."

And you expect farmers to deal with people like this? If this is their attitude toward middlemen how will farmers be treated in business.

Offer a better option(price) to farmers and live exports can quietly go by the wayside. Attempting to force farmers rarely works. Particularly if it is going to cost them money.

rojo
Its not going to cost the farmers one cent. It will provide better prices and more compertion. As you know already we are very supportive of Free range Farmers.

This thread is about WA Minister stopping us bringing in staff.

A fair go for all trades is what we expect. Why should just abattoir workers be blocked.
All other trades are fine.
Its very clear that within the abattoir meat trade something stinks.
The personal message I stand by.
I would really like to see some of these low lifes involved in this evil trade put on ships and treated as these poor creatures are.
Yes I stand by that.

If you are trying to say- Look everybody what a horrible person Wendy is by saying she would like to put these mongrels down the mincers alive the same as they have done to the animals.
Thats ok.
Only thing is most of Australia feels the same.
I dont have time to keep replying to your digs as you follow me from post to post.
I dont care to waiste my time.
I also have never liked cowards. You continue to hide behind a faulse name.
I put mine upfront

paleif,

I was under the impression that I should not use a real name under rules of the site. And I notice that few do.

I'm not the one doing the posting using dubious claims and I won't let you pass them off as gospel. No personal offence is meant to you or your organisation.

As to the quotes, did you write them for halal meats? I didn't try to implicate you as paleif said such a thing. If you wrote the statement for the website and I am quoting you directly, then it appears you personally benefit by ending live exports and this throws your associated posts into question.

It is unfortunate that your business is unable to get enough staff and I haven't been able to find out why abattoirs have been singled out regarding immigrant labour. I am very supportive of value adding within Australia, just not at the expense of farmers.

My point all along has been that, in my book, you are going about ending live exports the wrong way, not the least effective way, but the wrong way. By calling on govt to end live exports, and discrediting the "middlemen" you are not helping farmers, merely feathering your own nest. If you wish to end live exports then in all fairness this should be by paying export parity for the animals. It's not free to send them . If this can't be done then it can only be to the financial detriment of farmers.
Once there is no financial benefit to live exporting it will end. A win-win situation.

I'm sorry you feel my posting is a waste of your time. My passion is agriculture and I prefer facts over propaganda.

Rojo
Your are allowed to post under your real name. I am from the old school. A mans hand shake was the only contract that was needed. His name was everything.

HKM Halal Kind Meats was set up after a long time ago i prayed to God to help us find a way to lesson the suffering of animals.

We thought we would write to every religious organisation in Australia. We sent off footage of live exports to them Rojo. Footage that is not allowed on TV because its 'considered too upsetting' the public.

That was years ago and we thought we were doing a great job.

You know we sat up to two three four in the mornings. We were happy when that job was finished. The Church Leaders would help'we thought'

Out Of thousands of letters we got one reply. It was from AFIC. Australian Federadtion Of Islamic council- The Muslim Leaders.
God certainly has his own way of answering prayers some times.

So its taken years to come up with something that will reduce suffering, create more jobs here in Australia and give farmers a better price.

You cant tell me Australia is so stupid it cant slaughter its own animals for meat Rojo.

Ask yourself this? Why have they blocked only abattoir workers from entering Australia?

To stop us opening abattoirs again Rojo- Thats is the real truth of it.

Surely you can see that is not fair.

Also your wrong about me doing this for money Rojo.
My written proposal ages ago to Dr Hugh Wirth and others of RSPCA was always to help us contact farmers to- introduce overseas people wishing to meet farmers at grass roots levels.

Thats was to establish a supply and build abbittors which would eventually help faze out live exports.

One Hundred percent of a small percentage given to me was to go to RSPCA to help more animals.

paleif, I'm not accusing you of doing it for the money, and when you say you aren't I'm happy to take your word for it. I know that you champion other causes that are not in the abattoir field, and believe you are genuine in regard to animal welfare.

It most certainly is not fair if the reason workers are not allowed in is to restrict abattoirs opening. That would be very short sighted.

Certainly we can kill our own meat in Australia, but it must be done without reducing market value to the farmer. By seeking to "ban" live exports you create the impression that the abattoir game can't be competitive on its own. A seriously profitable business would steadily take market share and eventually Live exports could fade away, without any govt intervention.
By targeting the govt and middlemen you effectively alienate the farmer, keeping them out of the loop. You need to drive this campaign with farmer suppport, and they need to see tangible benefits with realistic outcomes to provide that support.

Rojo
Understand where you are comming from.

1 I am pushing for one of the Governments to adopt the co joint venture as "a policy-" Peter McGuaran has show interest but requires a full biz plan pretty much.


2 I am protesting publicly about the refusal of the Goverment Austrade, MLA, Farmers federations etc to do just as you suggested- treat us All fairly- '"the same without favourtism."

That is not the case at and the PRO Live exports is pushed from All Governments both State and Federal.

3 I am protesting the media gaints involved in the trade which blokes facts being printed.

4 I am doing the Minister Of Trades job- both Federal and State and I should not have to.

5 Reply from Hon Mark Vaile MP 17th March 2004[part of]>

Mr Vaile is responsible for advancing and promoting Australias interests across the breadth of the Governments ambittious trade policy `agena` mr vailes Main Goal is the creation of NEW and MORE OPEN markets for Australian exports, contributing to growth in Australias economy, employment and standard of living.

Mr Vaile promotes Australias trade interests by negtiating trade deals to stregthen regional areas.- And it goes on and on.

Then why is it Mr Vaile that something like abattoirs with value adding are "off" the "agenda" Why Do You Refuse To :Promote our co joint ventures/? Mmm Does it upset the live exporters.
Perhaps we should demand all donations to partys are made public.


Why wont Austrade or MLA or any of the others work with this co joint venture. Its not fair. Why wont "you promote both?"

Considering Mr Vaile you are aware we have a MOU with Muslim Leaders- who strongly support this to help create jobs in Australia and cut back animals suffering without cause why no support for us/
Why stop us opening abattoirs ? Why block our staff?
Why Just Abattoirs?
Mr Rudd and you are more of the same.
When is somebody going to put jobs farmers and Animals first?
Treat Us the same as the live exporters.
Stop blocking us.