According to Farm Weekly "The WA meat industry has been shocked by WA Small Business Minister Margaret Quirk’s decision to block a proposal for meat processors to return to employing overseas workers under the 457-visa scheme.

"The WA Meat Industry Council and processors from around the State believed they were close to having the freeze imposed by Federal Government on abattoirs employing overseas workers, lifted - until Ms Quirk stepped in."

According to farm groups this is the only industry that can't take advantage of the 457 visa scheme.

http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=41915

SOURCE: Extract from report in Farm Weekly, WA, April 19.















Copyright © 2007. Rural Press Limite

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http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=41915

This could be fixed with one flick of a lambs tail but the Federal Government if they wanted to.

If ever the Australian public needed proof the create live exports here it is.

Its worse than that because it blocks a large sector of Australians from entering the world trade .

These large self vested Companies operate by donations to political parties.

With the drought the jobs created in regional areas might have come in handy. Sure we have to bring in trained abattoir workers from overseas to train our youth for these jobs.

The reason for that is just like any other trade. Thats is that this country has gone down the drain in its performance to train skilled workers.

Remember everybody according to the Government the reason we have live exports is because the Muslims wont except them any other way. Thats a lie.
Muslim leaders have gone as far to lodge a very reasonable alternative to live exports at the Senate Enquiry.
As a matter of fact they are the only ones that have told it like it is.

I can see this going to have to be a very long thread.

Has anybody guessed yet what “that’ meeting was about in WA? Please explain Your Labour Ministers actions?

It’s clear that the blocking of abattoir workers has not been fully understood by the general public. It has been put to me one reason there is not so much screaming within the city folk is that Australia now has so many other nationalities that nobody cares- not even some Aussies. I don’t believe that.
This blocking abattoir worker is an absolute disgrace. No Prize for guessing what” that” meeting was about Ah
Not that it’s surprising as this meat Industry has operated under a cloud of secrecy for years.

Lets start by putting it this way. What is it about this ONE industry [the Meat industry] that is "so different" from every other industry in this country.

It is ONLY in this industry people are not allowed to bring in staff from overseas. That doesnt seem fair at all.

So much so that a few years ago we started to look at why?

It was `strange` to us considering the Government has agreed to bring in fruit pickers in the past and just about every other skilled labour into Australia.

Somebody must have the Government or Governments by the short and curlies to just stop this one lot of skilled workers. Speaking of feeding the chooks.

We became more and more interested. We were starting by contacting some old abattoir owners.

A lot of our information was given to us by X-abattoir owners who had lost pretty much everything due to these policies.

What most of them told us was that they were forced out of business by two main issues.

One was the lack of ability to get abattoir workers. The other was the lack of supply on a steady chain.

They told us they had literally been pushed out of business by the cruel live export trade.

to be continued

It was interesting how some of these old timers would tell us of the different business that closed down in their little country towns after they were forced to close.

One old guy was crying because he still felt he had let the people in his town down.

He had a few blokes that had pretty high mortgages he said that lost the lot.

At the moment with the drought especially there is a glut of animals being rushed off to sale yards because the farmers can’t feed or water them.

In WA one company in particular has been working to re open an abattoir to create employment for some of these farmers who very soon won’t have a pay packet.

I take my hat off to them and say this. Please don’t give up.-We applaud you.

Will the Minister of Small Business please explain herself?

Sounds to me more like the Minister of looking after the big boys Business of the Cruel live Export Trade.

Boy I bet the Lady’s who skirt was hidden under is popular- almost as popular as the other person.

Ah, now I know what goes on at Infamous meetings. You know the ones you are not supposed to have. Will the Minister now disclosed what was discussed on that day?

If ‘we’ can follow what’s behind the Vaile’s how long do you think it will be until the Australian Public can see it.

What’s even more concerning is the going through the back door.

It’s sneaky and dishonest and unfair to people in the abattoir business.

At least the other lot stood up like men with their irritating smiles and tells their own bull.

I would be very concerned to see you become Prime Minister Mr. Rudd.

Not even because of your lack of Animal Welfare or fair Competitiveness in the market. No Sir Not Even That.

It’s the sneaky unanswerable way you have tried to slip one over the Australian Public.

That’s before your are elected.

To be continued

Yes we ALL know about the WA State of political boys
club however I think you have just made one of the biggest political mistakes of your life.


She is a Labour Minister. So yes Kevin Rudd - As "you said." You understood these things and you would not be banning live exports.

What you didn’t tell the Australian public Kevin was you were going to MAKE SURE it wasn’t even open for fair business competitiveness. That may have made you popular then but its going to come back and bite you on the bum.

No doubt you have to take care of political biz supporters but this is beyond the PALE

One of your favourite sayings! Is it not?

Please read Mr. Rudd the Proposal put forth by the Muslim Leaders of Australia working with many others.

You might even come up with a policy that gains you even more votes.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/submissions.html

While you are there May I respectfully suggest you look at this and remember there are “many of us who have to vote also”.

As a matter of fact there are more of us than there are them.
Think carefully.

Here What the People Think>

http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php

Sorry but We are forgetting our Manners.

We would like to Thank one Of The Largest live animal Exporters "Elders" For Sponsoring this page.

Men and Women of Australia You can see more by clicking here.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/elders.html

RE A fair Go for people wanting to open abattoirs in Australia.

Cruelty to Animals. Australian Public So NO.

Open Abattoirs In "This" Country!
The NOs Have it
Ring The bells!

paleif, from your link:
"On a personal note I encourage all middlemen agents to get involved with this company before I personally put each and everyone of you out of business."

"Given the choice I would prefer to gather you all up and put you all on a ship live to Saudi Arabia and perhaps stop half way or somewhere across that dreaded trip and chuck a couple of you down into the mincers alive."

And you expect farmers to deal with people like this? If this is their attitude toward middlemen how will farmers be treated in business.

Offer a better option(price) to farmers and live exports can quietly go by the wayside. Attempting to force farmers rarely works. Particularly if it is going to cost them money.

rojo
Its not going to cost the farmers one cent. It will provide better prices and more compertion. As you know already we are very supportive of Free range Farmers.

This thread is about WA Minister stopping us bringing in staff.

A fair go for all trades is what we expect. Why should just abattoir workers be blocked.
All other trades are fine.
Its very clear that within the abattoir meat trade something stinks.
The personal message I stand by.
I would really like to see some of these low lifes involved in this evil trade put on ships and treated as these poor creatures are.
Yes I stand by that.

If you are trying to say- Look everybody what a horrible person Wendy is by saying she would like to put these mongrels down the mincers alive the same as they have done to the animals.
Thats ok.
Only thing is most of Australia feels the same.
I dont have time to keep replying to your digs as you follow me from post to post.
I dont care to waiste my time.
I also have never liked cowards. You continue to hide behind a faulse name.
I put mine upfront

paleif,

I was under the impression that I should not use a real name under rules of the site. And I notice that few do.

I'm not the one doing the posting using dubious claims and I won't let you pass them off as gospel. No personal offence is meant to you or your organisation.

As to the quotes, did you write them for halal meats? I didn't try to implicate you as paleif said such a thing. If you wrote the statement for the website and I am quoting you directly, then it appears you personally benefit by ending live exports and this throws your associated posts into question.

It is unfortunate that your business is unable to get enough staff and I haven't been able to find out why abattoirs have been singled out regarding immigrant labour. I am very supportive of value adding within Australia, just not at the expense of farmers.

My point all along has been that, in my book, you are going about ending live exports the wrong way, not the least effective way, but the wrong way. By calling on govt to end live exports, and discrediting the "middlemen" you are not helping farmers, merely feathering your own nest. If you wish to end live exports then in all fairness this should be by paying export parity for the animals. It's not free to send them . If this can't be done then it can only be to the financial detriment of farmers.
Once there is no financial benefit to live exporting it will end. A win-win situation.

I'm sorry you feel my posting is a waste of your time. My passion is agriculture and I prefer facts over propaganda.

Rojo
Your are allowed to post under your real name. I am from the old school. A mans hand shake was the only contract that was needed. His name was everything.

HKM Halal Kind Meats was set up after a long time ago i prayed to God to help us find a way to lesson the suffering of animals.

We thought we would write to every religious organisation in Australia. We sent off footage of live exports to them Rojo. Footage that is not allowed on TV because its 'considered too upsetting' the public.

That was years ago and we thought we were doing a great job.

You know we sat up to two three four in the mornings. We were happy when that job was finished. The Church Leaders would help'we thought'

Out Of thousands of letters we got one reply. It was from AFIC. Australian Federadtion Of Islamic council- The Muslim Leaders.
God certainly has his own way of answering prayers some times.

So its taken years to come up with something that will reduce suffering, create more jobs here in Australia and give farmers a better price.

You cant tell me Australia is so stupid it cant slaughter its own animals for meat Rojo.

Ask yourself this? Why have they blocked only abattoir workers from entering Australia?

To stop us opening abattoirs again Rojo- Thats is the real truth of it.

Surely you can see that is not fair.

Also your wrong about me doing this for money Rojo.
My written proposal ages ago to Dr Hugh Wirth and others of RSPCA was always to help us contact farmers to- introduce overseas people wishing to meet farmers at grass roots levels.

Thats was to establish a supply and build abbittors which would eventually help faze out live exports.

One Hundred percent of a small percentage given to me was to go to RSPCA to help more animals.

paleif, I'm not accusing you of doing it for the money, and when you say you aren't I'm happy to take your word for it. I know that you champion other causes that are not in the abattoir field, and believe you are genuine in regard to animal welfare.

It most certainly is not fair if the reason workers are not allowed in is to restrict abattoirs opening. That would be very short sighted.

Certainly we can kill our own meat in Australia, but it must be done without reducing market value to the farmer. By seeking to "ban" live exports you create the impression that the abattoir game can't be competitive on its own. A seriously profitable business would steadily take market share and eventually Live exports could fade away, without any govt intervention.
By targeting the govt and middlemen you effectively alienate the farmer, keeping them out of the loop. You need to drive this campaign with farmer suppport, and they need to see tangible benefits with realistic outcomes to provide that support.

Rojo
Understand where you are comming from.

1 I am pushing for one of the Governments to adopt the co joint venture as "a policy-" Peter McGuaran has show interest but requires a full biz plan pretty much.


2 I am protesting publicly about the refusal of the Goverment Austrade, MLA, Farmers federations etc to do just as you suggested- treat us All fairly- '"the same without favourtism."

That is not the case at and the PRO Live exports is pushed from All Governments both State and Federal.

3 I am protesting the media gaints involved in the trade which blokes facts being printed.

4 I am doing the Minister Of Trades job- both Federal and State and I should not have to.

5 Reply from Hon Mark Vaile MP 17th March 2004[part of]>

Mr Vaile is responsible for advancing and promoting Australias interests across the breadth of the Governments ambittious trade policy `agena` mr vailes Main Goal is the creation of NEW and MORE OPEN markets for Australian exports, contributing to growth in Australias economy, employment and standard of living.

Mr Vaile promotes Australias trade interests by negtiating trade deals to stregthen regional areas.- And it goes on and on.

Then why is it Mr Vaile that something like abattoirs with value adding are "off" the "agenda" Why Do You Refuse To :Promote our co joint ventures/? Mmm Does it upset the live exporters.
Perhaps we should demand all donations to partys are made public.


Why wont Austrade or MLA or any of the others work with this co joint venture. Its not fair. Why wont "you promote both?"

Considering Mr Vaile you are aware we have a MOU with Muslim Leaders- who strongly support this to help create jobs in Australia and cut back animals suffering without cause why no support for us/
Why stop us opening abattoirs ? Why block our staff?
Why Just Abattoirs?
Mr Rudd and you are more of the same.
When is somebody going to put jobs farmers and Animals first?
Treat Us the same as the live exporters.
Stop blocking us.

I just find itdisapointing that Animal Welfare Groups protesting Live Animal Exports and demanding it be replacedand fazed out by carcuss in Australia have ignored this thread.

Considering the millions raised by many Animal Welfare groups protesing the Live Trade and demanding it be replaced by carcuss. I would have thought they would have been all over this.
Yabby also perhaps Dickie and Nickey had it right about you too. After all its in your area and you have had much to say.
now Nothing.
How could I have got it so wrong.
Well I guess we all make errors.
Its got to be polital - They silence I mean'
umm Too bad
Well we will be opening plants in WA.

Rojo Said>
It most certainly is not fair if the reason workers are not allowed in is to restrict abattoirs opening. That would be very short sighted.

Certainly we can kill our own meat in Australia, but it must be done without reducing market value to the farmer. By seeking to "ban" live exports you create the impression that the abattoir game can't be competitive on its own. A seriously profitable business would steadily take market share and eventually Live exports could fade away, without any govt intervention.
By targeting the govt and middlemen you effectively alienate the farmer, keeping them out of the loop. You need to drive this campaign with farmer suppport, and they need to see tangible benefits with realistic outcomes to provide that support.

Pale asks EVERY Animal Welfare Group to read Rojos comments- Over and Over again.
Rojo is CORRECT- We must! put our efforts into helping gain the trust of farmers by establishing more options for their market.
It is ONLY by getting in and DOING this will we change things.
You can talk to the Ploys until the cows come home - But! it wont make a tap of difference.
They dont care. They only care about keeping the votes and the donations coming into their partys from the low lifes that peddle in Animal cruelty.
The Farmers know that so are stuck with taking the side of the Government. They! are certainly sick of the public putting the blame at their feet.
Rojos is right.
Lets just get in a DO it with overseas contacts.
Animal Groups play right into the hands of the Government and Industry by playing them off against the farmers.
Lets stop that.
Help us put farmers in contact direct with overseas customers. Thats whats going to put the cruel Live Exporter and Intensive corp lot out of business.
Protest the blockage of abattoir workers into WA if you care about fazing out live exports.
All we are asking is to compete FAILY.
Shame on The WA Minister.
What was that Meeting about in WA again Mr Rudd?