If you listen to the whole 15 minutes of the speech rather than the selective news grabs you would see that it was not really about Slipper.

The Slipper argument was that the Opposition put forward a very significant motion without notice and on no real basis as Slipper had not been charged with any offence and the matter was still before the courts. It was clearly a political stunt meant to embarrass Gillard.

She could have made that point in a couple of minutes and moved on.

The real purpose of the speech was to demonstrate that she was no longer going to put up with what many consider personal sexist attacks on her character rather than debates based on policy substance and was targetted specifically at Abbott. His discomfort was obvious.

In addition she could see that the LNP had exposed it's weakness in that Abbott has already been tagged in a sexist role, given that he was now hiding behind his wife's skirts and had put out those big prepared media releases to show himself as a caring and sensitive new-age guy. (Downton Abbey doesn't clash with the footy by the way).

This is their major weakness and threatens Abbott's role as leader, despite the current polls. When the election is called he'll not only have to convince the voters of his policies but also his own members who are still opposed to his ill-considered paid maternity leave scheme and may yet be further embarrassed at the non-appearance of the famous Carbon Tax wrecking ball.

Although the mainstream media have unanimously interpreted it as a failed speech it has huge resonance throughout the community and may yet make many stop and reconsider their voting intentions, especially after the stupid "died of shame" reference Abbott made afterward.

Not all of course, but maybe just enough to matter. The election is still Abbott's to lose and that warm and cuddly media nonsense proves it.

i completly agree belly..your a good mate
and i too feel we together can face certain truths

you know i copied your posting style
but space differently..yet because of the same concerns..reveal stuff that comes back to bite me..so here goes..you said why not write like that all the time..[i didnt write it..just cut it up into 3 bits

thats what i do ol mate

http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14487#14487

anyhow cheers
that link explains how much i respect you
and why..ps thats as good as my writting gets..
and only cause of whos words.. im using there..

here mate we all locked in..to our loves/hates etc
mates..but we are so much more.. we are brothers.so to say that clearly i feel the energy to put more efforts in..

but as for money..couldnt give a fig bout that..
so cut it paste it ..them..get the heck gone..move back to what really intrests me.

is my only true passion
god..and you lot..his creations..the poor have allways been hgungry
its only the new rich...boby bonus boomers.. who loose even that they thought they had.

but that dont concern unions nor poliotics parties
nor libs nor greens nor independants..or media a bit..why should we?

im tiredol mate
requested no one attends my funeral
they didnt want me in life..i dont want them at my death

and i cant wait

OUG may I talk to you?
I could not read ,not properly, until I left School.
Being left handed in an era that saw the ruler across your fingers for writing that way.
I still can not write well, at all, and not with my left hand.
I spelling and all, put out a hand written, then copied news letter, an industry one, for my work mates.
Gee I copped it! but abuse too if I failed to get it out.
Mate one of my proudest achievements? helping another Delegate after work paid for, lessons in reading.
For 40 year old men.
See my generation left home young, the eldest or only son to feed the others.
In 1970 one in six it was found could not read or write.
Hard to believe? believe!I have had the best Dozer driver I ever saw, a huge lovable bloke, take me away from the crowd in near tiers, to say I can not read mate can you read this?
If you see some one who left the glasses at home or says take this home to the wife, be careful, you have his/her pride in your hands,offer on your own, not in front of others help.
Mate. I HAVE KNOWN OTHERS LIKE YOU, HEARD THOSE SAME WORDS,
OUG every life has value never give up, ever.
I am fighting a fight I may yet not win, but with pride and a natural love of every new thing I learn.
You no one else are the Medicine for what ails you.
Know you are not alone, know too each of us fight our battles as Lexi is now and as I am, go down only after fighting every inch of the way bloke.

much the same for me belly..left hand till in grade 2 i said im going to holland..[did 4,5,6 in dutch..came back to start highschool

the left hand thing..was so the dutch wouldnt think
that all you aussies backwards/lefties..so i took it for the team

people who see my handwriting say i write like i talk
loudly..mainly using capital letters..cause im a reader not a writer.

because i trained myself to read science/religion etc
i read one wurd before i read the next..one word at a time

[the only way i can read yours is by bustin it up
and replying line by line..to stick on the topic

im not going to any school..im over it
people dont want to know..and im tired of tellen it
i just sat back and thought what else to say..but immediatly massive pains

its all simply too painfull..
the luckey ones die earlier on

Csteele, I have noticed since being on this forum, the tendency of several religious people here and several far right wingers here to "often" personally abuse people here, and people in the public eye, who have opposing political or religious views. Regarding abuse towards people here, it's often done "covertly", in obvious attempts to abuse yet not get banned.

There's only about 6 or seven of these people doing this, but they post multiple post daily, therefore the rudeness often dominates the forum.

Posted by DiamondPete, Friday, 12 October 2012 10:53:37 PM

Pete....welcome to the sand pit:)

Planet3

Plant 3

The left whingers are certainly not shy in their abuse either.