Bony, if the world like her they can have her. We'll even gift wrap her. We'd have too, just in case they saw her, & reneged on the deal.

As for getting to the bottom, I'm not sure if Krudd or Gillard actually represent the absolute bottom for labor, they could amalgamate with the greens & perhaps get just a smidgen lower.

However add Turnbull in there, & there is just no place lower to go. Even with a 10 ton excavator you could not dig below that lot.

"...add Turnbull in there, & there is just no place lower to go...."

I'm fascinated by the penchant of dyed in the wool Liberal supporters on this forum to pan Turnbull. After all, this is the man who was only defeated by a single vote in the leadership spill.

Can't help but luxuriate in the thought of him retaking the leadership mantle, and imagining the likes of Hasbeen reduced to crying in his beer while watching reruns of John Howard toadying up to his hero Georgie Dubya.

...Ah, the good ol' days.

As evidenced by Hasbeen's above post, all the far right wingers have is personal abuse. No real and properly costed policies ... just personal abuse.

Just look at Parliament over the past 2 years; we've had day after day after day of personal abuse and invective hurled at the government by quite a few Coalition members. The government did NOT reply in kind to anywhere near the same extent, until recent months. Now that Labor's replying in kind, guess what? The poor, mistreated Coalition wussies are now complaining about it. The Coalition's Christopher Pyne, even complained last week that a male Coalition member was called a "BLOKE" by a member of the government ..... ha ha ha ha ha ha. This was from Pyne, who CONTINUALLY raises vindictive and disruptive points of order, and who CONTINUALLY yells vindictive and immature comments across the Parliament's floor, and who continually talks over the Speaker Of The House after being told to just sit down.

So Hasbeen, continue on with your personal abuse, as you try to copy your heroes. It's the modus operandi of the Coalition these days (personal abuse, anger, disruption and yelling). By the time the election comes around, it will cost them dearly.

Turnbull will lead again, and Liberals will try to forget Abbott even existed, he Abbott, will leave politics.
DP your over overoptimistic chook,s will come home to roost.
But just maybe you will learn from it.
Labor needs those who can see our true position and needs them now.
You by the way are not locked in battle with right wing Conservatives.
Like you, they are locked in to one side and need for thought is left behind.
All they need do is find faults even if they do not exist, with the other side.

DP,

From what I see all the left whingers have left is personal abuse, non of their policies that have purportedly been fully costed have come anywhere near meeting their budgets, their time schedules or even their purpose.

After the failure of every single policy so far Labor labor cannot go to the election based on its record and is left with only vague unfunded promises for dental, education and disability, and the gender card to play.

Bonmot & Belly, can't you see sub-judicy does not come into it !

It was already public knowledge and uncontested evidence and it would
be an action by Slipper himself !

That is not subjudicy.
At the very least it would make him look better.

Goodness me thats easy to understand !