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Is the Study of Eugenics, another name for Racism ?
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Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 1 October 2012 11:28:29 PM
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We learnt that with cattle breading, hybrid vigor is a major asset, achieved by introducing new blood into a heard, on a regular basis. This does require we breed genetically pure stud stock, so bulls are available for this purpose.
I always had a sneaking suspicion that our superior performance in many sports, particularly track & field, in the 50/60s was down to our mixing many strains of European blood together, giving us that vigor. This I believe was surpassed by the appearance of the educated US negro, mixed with a similarly vigorous US European mix, giving them a period of high sporting achievement. If I'm right, the mixing of genetics is probably a good thing long term. I suppose you could assume I'm saying you lot are no better than cows, which is probably true, but I do include my family in there too. Oh, I won't mind if you prove me wrong either. Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 1:19:51 AM
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We may be getting away from subject, humanity is a mixture of every race this has been proved.
I see nothing wrong with that. But even if we agree, and we may well, to cull humanity we face problems. First who selects. What is the method kill or stop breeding. What is the likely hood of any one agreeing with those three questions, or any of them, after firm answers are found for them. No race or creed could be targeted as a whole surely? Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 6:09:02 AM
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Joe,
As I said, it's down to personal taste, you favour race mixing as an individual sexual choice because people should be able "to do what they want", I don't and the vast majority of people who choose partners from their own ethnic group would seem to back my conclusions. A eugenic measure is something which is good for a population or ethnic group, a dysgenic measure is something which harms it, now, spurious genetic theories and personal tastes aside was unlimited and uncontrolled race mixing good for Indigenous Australians and Americans? I'd say it obviously wasn't because they quite literally in some cases ceased to exist as distinctive peoples. The argument over eugenics as racism is purely ideological, not moral, nobody seriously believes that a depressed bi racial Gehtto or a society like Brazil is superior to one such as Japan. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 6:24:43 AM
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Belly, yes we are drifting but the topic was framed in such a way that the discussion would tend toward politics and personal tastes rather than the subject of eugenics.
Eugenics was always inextricable from a wider idea of a healthy world, the Nazi society was seen as the culmination of the work done in the U.S and elsewhere and has been carried through to the present day in the form of Deep Green Ecology by people such as Pentti Linkola. Eugenics is about healthy people in a healthy society within a healthy environment, naturally such societies would be superior in every way to those not under a similar regime. There's a perception that because Germany was attacked and defeated by the Atlantic powers and the Soviets that any idea or school of thought which existed in the NS society at the time was invalid or worse, "Evil". The Nazi race laws and the treatment of Jews were not the cause of WW2 none of the major actors in the attack on Germany even mention them in their war memoirs, the Eugenic aspects of the NS programs were widely applauded across the world and only became a propaganda tool and a way of taunting the "Master Race" once Britain and France had determined to destroy Germany once and for all. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 6:43:39 AM
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Eugenics smugenics
I'm advised by well placed sources that we already have the ability to engineer the next generation. So in the near future –if it isn’t happening already – parents will mix and match what they deem the best qualities – from all races/individuals. Thus it will be/is conceivable to have a child who looks like Ashton: http://tinyurl.com/9xml8ds But had the intellect of Albert:http://tinyurl.com/8m9l7r7 Now, the only draw back with that might be that, if one of the resulting (engineered) progeny were to commit a crime, how on Earth would authorities be able to distinguish between the guilty person and the other four billion (innocent) SPQR look alikes! Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 7:49:42 AM
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A few realities:
* as far as Australian Indigenous people are concerned, in the cities around 90 % of marriages are with non-Indigenous people - why ? because that's who they mix with, work with, socialise with.
* get on a bus or train every so often - notice that there are no barriers, fences, no laws, and police dogs keeping people apart. So it is with a free-and-equal society - people mix with whoever the hell they like. How would you stop it ? And why ?
* intermarriage doesn't hurt, quite the reverse: I had 43 years of it and I would do it all over again at the drop of a hat. It was FANTASTIC !
* to repeat, all groups, races if you like, are mixed to buggery already, you and me both. Get over it.
Just by the way, genetic studies have now shown that the English, from whom I am presuming both you and I are at least partly descended, are, on the whole, 85 % Briton (like the Irish) and less than 10 % Anglo-Saxon. With a fair bit of French, Norse, Spanish, 'colonial', etc. thrown in. Probably Neanderthal too. Beautifully mongrel !
Cheers,
Joe
:)