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Is the Study of Eugenics, another name for Racism ?

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Oops, I meant to include this site, effectively the encyclopedia of genetic research:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/

Happy reading.
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 1 October 2012 8:43:28 PM
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Well my "enthusiasm" is tempered by the fact that the jury is still out on the alleged genetic inferiority or superiority of different human types and in the end it's neither here nor there, I'm saying that it's obvious to even the non scientific observer that uncontrolled racial intermarriage invariably produces people who end up materially inferior or deficient in comparison to people who can identify a single race ancestry.

OSW,
Well PC runs in all directions, we can talk about on demand abortion as a eugenic measure but we better not talk about how many mixed race or "Black" babies are aborted in the U.S.A compared to Whites.
Regarding "racism" I think people get confused between the Nazi eugenics policies and the Holocaust and the load of codswallop that's peddled about Nazi "experiments" just muddies the water. If you read Mein Kampf Hitler didn't think Jews were racially inferior so much as racially incompatible with his vision of Germania, he actually considered them to be competent and deadly foes of his Aryan man, that's why he wanted them eradicated from the continent.
Seen in that light there should be no taboo on the discussion of eugenics merely because of the holocaust, by all means discuss both issues but separation of the two or observing that Nazi eugenics was far smaller in scope than the programs in the U.S or even Australia isn't "racist" it's just a fact, facts can't be racist
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 1 October 2012 8:51:56 PM
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You do write some rubbish, Jay.

All human groups can inter-marry, to use a tactful term, and be the better for it. I haven't come across the slightest bit of evidence that "uncontrolled racial intermarriage invariably produces people who end up materially inferior or deficient in comparison to people who can identify a single race ancestry."

Utter balderdash, and I suspect you know it.

As for what's PC, in my experience in the Indigenous scene, PC types are usually as hostile to any sort of inter-marriage as you are, especially whites, and including those on the Left: in their eyes, it's unacceptable 'assimilation'. I suspect that PC types are all in favour of genetic 'purity', whatever that might mean, and certainly oppose intermixing. Frankly, they are as behind the times as you are, my friend.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 1 October 2012 9:37:47 PM
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Joe, look at Detroit and compare it to Tokyo. you don't need to be a geneticist to see what's out in plain sight, race mixing results in disadvantage for the mixed race generations, there is no exception to the rule.
Furthermore if race mixing cost Indigenous Australians and Americans their identity, their languages, their religion and their land how can it be seen as a good thing for anyone? The only reason you'd condone race mixing is if you had a plan to dispossess a race or ethnic group of all their material, spiritual, linguistic and genetic attributes.

The last is reasonable as far as I can tell, PC types are delusional at times but they're not evil and they're not stupid.
It seems that people who are tolerant of race mixing are in the minority and people who actively promote it do so purely as a matter of personal taste or a perverse desire to destroy any distinction among human subspecies, race mixing is Nihilistic...now may we pleas continue on topic?
As for being behind the times you assume I support race as a first consideration in the demarcation of a civilisation when I don't, it is as you say a retrograde step and one I only advocate as a last resort for my own ethnic group should more progressive methods fail to secure the existence of my ethnic group and a future for our children.
Race, or ethnicity as we call it now can be seen as a social construct, but it's a real and valuable social construct, eugenics should and will be important in coming decades as a way of adding value, as it were to an ethnic group.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 1 October 2012 10:04:10 PM
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Joe.
I forgot to add, race mixing can actually be a eugenic measure in itself if in the context of our aforementioned social construct it's used as a humane way of winnowing the genetic chaff from an ethnic group. If the weaklings and losers of a particular group are simply led to believe that their best hope for happiness is with a partner of a different race then they won't be passing on their genes to contaminate the gene pool of their birth ethnicity will they?
White people don't like talking about this sort of thing but it doesn't mean that it's offensive or wrong and the drive for genetic supremacy is hard wired into every human being on the planet, it's just that a very small number of people, mainly anglo Saxon have come to believe that supremacy is dirty and that equality is a moral good, it's an inverted view of the world.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 1 October 2012 10:14:39 PM
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Well, JOM & LOUDMOUTH...

Looks like I'm well out of my league with you two, as you both seem to have a better appreciation of many of the earlier eugenic experimentation, conducted by the Nazis and ors. than I !

I suppose my main point was whether we could overtly scrutinize eugenics, without first being branded as engaging in racial exploratory trials ?

And without some moral guardian peeking over our shoulder, in case we dare to engage in some sort of purely racist analysis and research ?
Somehow, I don't think so, do you ?
Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 1 October 2012 10:24:44 PM
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