I truly can not believe this Gentleman has not had a Romney moment.
Like a great deal of Australian men I am not pleased with Homosexuality.
Blame me, do as you wish, it is the simple truth.
I am unsure however why I should even consider not letting these folk have a form of formal wedding.
Highlighting in my view so very many claims being made by too many Liberals.
I expect Tony Abbott to harness this man

Cory has apparently 'resigned' today Belly.

Even Abbott realized that Cory had gone too far in his statement that legal bestiality may follow legalising gay marriage.

Abbott has finally realized that he can't accept every homophobic rant that his
political-religious followers produce!

Medical symptom - Opening mouth before activating brain.

Medical result - Egg on face ( have to resign lucrative position )

Belly there is a group which bothers me even more than the person in question. I get the impression that Cory has spoken and acted on what he believes (no matter how much I disagree with those beliefs).

There is a much larger group who appear to understand that same sex marriage won't be the end of our society, it won't open the floodgates for religious fundies to marry the pet dog or a 9 year old no matter how much some appear to want to and who spout beliefs in equality yet who still voted against same sex marriage.

Seemingly willing to refuse to remove a legal discrimination without the justification of a belief that they are somehow protecting society from a great harm

The extremists bother me but sometimes those who act based on political expediency bother me more, the ones who will knowingly do wrong or fail to try to right a wrong because it does not suit some other agenda. I suspect we have far more to fear from them than from the minority typified by Cory.

R0bert

Belly, remember Hockey proclaiming that hetro’s make better parents than homo’s….and Wong hooked into him, now this one from another Catholic.

There is only one practical reason for the “rights of marriage” for homo’s and that is the carriage of the estate to the partner. A life partner is a life partner, gender regardless and the Catholic ethos’d Cory is towing the Catholic line enhanced with his own vivid demons thrown in.

Not too many cerebral winners at the top table in that party sadly.

Bernardi was just a right-wing extremist and was Abbott’s attack dog in the same way that Abbott was Howard’s but Bernardi lacks judgement.

His involvement in setting up a domestic Tea Party equivalent and admiration for Sarah Palin is well known as is Gert Wilder’s own admiration for Bernardi’s racist and bigoted views.

He set up somewhere between 6 and 12 websites (at least one registered in the US) to canvas for donations to Menzies House and under an “astro turf” strategy to launder donations to CANdo.org.au from anti-AGW corporations and others.

Turnbull sacked him over his feud with Chris Pyne (who happens to be a prominent power-broker within the party) but Abbott brought him back, probably as payment for his support in the leadership ballot.

If she manages to slip off her rather tight chain, Sophie Mirabella may yet be Abbott’s next cause for embarrassment.

If Abbott hadn’t had such a bad week, Bernardi probably would have been safe but had to be thrown overboard.

Pilger sees nothing wrong with some forms of bestiality and is cheered by the left. At least Cory is repulsed by it. Funny how quickly the moral relativist are so absolutely sure Corey is wrong. What hypocrites!

I think we are over looking the intent of the thread,but ask no restrain it.
I submitted my thread before the clown went.
Say well done to Abbott.
But refuse to even think Cory had a right to say such silly things.
In fact there lays a problem.
As Romney, an already beaten candidate, spoke out his own doom so did Cory.
But I think we see evidence of just how far removed politics has become from what it once was.
Like actors on the big screen almost anything is said but often not believed by them.
I have waited for Abbott to slip in such away, any one can.
We are shallow, we except acting, fall at the feet of stars, not politicians.
Cory was is and again will be afar right leader even pusher in a party that is too,both Liberal and for some radical.
We must confront the facts, worse is being served up!
Know lies dressed to frighten.
We are confronted with a Parliament, a world, that puts victory before truth.

Irrespective of Cory's 'slippery slope' theory there are those who reconize bestiality.

For example, Professor Peter Singer OAM is quoted as saying on national TV recently.

"We should consider whether sexual gratifacation with an animal is really wrong"

Peter Singer received an OAM last year, is a strong advocate of animal liberation, a phillosopher of note and heads the Ethics department of Princeton University.

There is a website devoted to Singers quotes.

Banjo let us face it some will propose any sexual act, including Child sex.
However the link between same sex and this is not to be found.
Let us be honest.
Do we wish to see anyone,from any side of politics use this type of junk comment in Parliament.
Anyone with any understanding of this bloke will understand he is an extremist.
A fire lighter, just read his own page.
Far from his first deliberate insulting action.
I must again say, I am not a fan of homosexuality,but understand it is seemingly unavoidable for some.
A current Liberal Bill to be put in Parliament, to allow a lifetime commitment that is not a wedding but a partner agreement.
To be available to all sexes seems a fair second choice.
No good softening the truth, on any issue, this bloke went past decent far past it.

not to long back the murder of the unborn for convenience was thought repulsive by the vast majority. Now it is accepted by many as a right. Social engineers know the public need time to sear people's consciences enough to accept the unacceptable.

Belly and others say Cory should not be allowed to say what he said but I heard no protests about Deveny's vile comments or Singers sick philosophy which argues for bestiality in 'certain 'circumstances. The main problem is that many refuse to accept the sick state of the human heart.

Belly,
Did this bloke go beyond the pale?

In Brazil homosexuals got 'marriage' rights in May, and now others are calling for polygamy to be recognized. We have had calls also for legal polygamy here.

The greens here have a policy of lowering the age of consent.

As i pointed out some people are at least questioning the law about bestiality.

My personal view is that i do not care if homosexuals have a union under law, but do not call it marriage. Marriage means a union between a male and female.

So if we allow homosexual marriage, where do we draw the line. Is polygamy, incest, bestiality or child sex more offensive than same sex activity? What about same sex polygamy or same sex incest? I find them all offensive. If we draw a line can we hold it?

Where on the 'slippery slope' would you draw the line?

I see nothing wrong with what Cory said. He is being persecuted for asking a Question.

If homosexuals do get their way & same sex marriage is legalized, will the next cat out of the bag be some group campaigning for bestiality to be OK'd? I suspect it will be the same crowd calling on it to be legalized & it would be considered Politically Incorrect to speak against it.

Once you realise that Cory wasn’t sacked for what he said but for publicly showing a lack of “discipline” it makes me wonder what else is said behind closed party room doors by such zealots.
Howard was said to have racist tendencies when he was in Fraser's cabinet and referred to aborigines as "boongs" in private conversations and I'm sure that similar things are said in the ALP caucus.

Just because Singer said something related to bestiality doesn’t make it a fact.

Trying to connect gay marriage with bestiality is patently absurd – like saying that almost all heroin addicts start out on mother’s milk.

It seems to me that extremists are addicted to outrage - they crave the feeling it gives them and love to create more.

rache: It seems to me that extremists are addicted to outrage

I couldn't agree more. It gives idiot a sense of power & the PC crowd latch on like bulldogs. Most of them don't even really know or care what the issue is, just as long as it's an issue & they can be heard.

The problem then is, more's the pity, is that, we, like sheep, follow.

Opps! last line. Delete "we" insert "some people"

A reality can not be avoided here.
SOME are seemingly defending the idiots actions.
Then, in my view, it can not be wront to make ANY CLAIM.
Runner as is his usual, looks for a reason to differ with any criticism of a conservative.
And any reason to slag off a left of center.
No one should forget, this hung Parliament has delivered both an unhappy electorate.
And some truly blind, folk who see only one side getting it wrong.
Animal sex was not what the vote was about.
Has nothing to do with it, Abbott knew it went too far, for self interest or fear Turnbull may move he did the right thing.
Has ANYONE gone to the blokes home page? read his past slip ups? seen the concerns about him from some in his own party.

Belly

'Runner as is his usual, looks for a reason to differ with any criticism of a conservative.'

I seem to remember that I was one of Turnbull's loudest critics on OLO when he was favouring the Rudd's push for the deceitful carbon tax. My allegiance to conservatives (as you put it) is a lot weaker than your chain to the Labour party. Cory just happens to state the obvious.

I think there is way too much hysteria about gay marriage, when the real issue is homosexuality itself , and the way some conservative members of our society don't want to recognize that being gay is not a choice and not illegal .

Bestiality, incest and polygamy are all illegal in Australia, and the first 2 practices will never be legalized by any sane government, for health reasons alone.

So why are some people imagining that gay marriage will be the start of marriage within these 2 groups then?
What a load of rubbish!

I can see that Polygamy could conceivably happen here in the future, as long as women were also allowed to marry multiple men too...

Susionline

'I think there is way too much hysteria about gay marriage, when the real issue is homosexuality itself , and the way some conservative members of our society don't want to recognize that being gay is not a choice and not illegal .'

Many are simply sick of the lifestyle being promoted. I have known woman and men to walk out of 30 year marriages to live that lifestyle. I would call that choice. No one twisted their arm. Next you will be saying that people committing adultery or fornication have not got a choice or worse still paedophille. Of course people have a choice.

Bestiality, incest and polygamy are all illegal in Australia, and the first 2 practices will never be legalized by any sane government, for health reasons alone.
Suseonline,
Is that so ? Homosexuality used to be considered a health risk & now look where it got to. Don't dismiss the aforementioned too easily. Anything is possible in a society rotten to the core.

What a strange psychological world we inhabit, where people like individual things things were so much better back then, and now "society is rotten to the core."

Men of means used to leave Britain and pop off to Africa and the Caribbean, where they'd buy plantations and "own" black and brown people. We used to send little children down mines and cripple others at looms or in factories. We used to procure children from orphanages and set them to work in the factories, flog them and starve them to within an inch of their lives...all this under the auspices of the morality of the church. But simultaneously, things like homosexuality were illegal, so society was pure.

...yeah right.

I'm curious as to where, when and which society was un-rotten… My guess is that it could not have involved humans (The test being to nominate such a society and then imagine being 'any' of the possible individuals in it, prior to claiming it as such).

Before dismissing Senator Bernardi's comments as ignorant or out of order… has there been any clarification?

Setting aside the issue that consent is unobtainable, was the senator okay with bestiality as long as it involved male and female genders? Or was his opposition to something that wasn't even in legislation before the chamber based on misunderstanding that same-sex attraction doesn't cross the species barrier.

In any event I can't foresee – and would disagree with – Australians decriminalising sex with anything that could be regarded as food.

Poirot,
you must be the one living in the past because you keep bringing it up all the time.

Runner, I meant Gay people had no choice with the sexuality that they are born with.

Of course they have a choice as to whether they follow their natural desires or whether they lie to their opposite sex partners and pretend to enjoy sex with them.

There are many shattered families where their mother or father finally can't continue to live that lie any longer, and leave to be with a loved same sex partner.
These family traumas would have been avoided if only their gay relatives had felt supported enough to just be themselves... As homosexuals.

This will continue to happen until society drags itself out of an old fashioned, bigoted view of homosexuality.

This is really, really bad news for the Kiwis. ;-)

I gather what everyone is saying is that Abbott just wanted an excuse to rid himself of Cory & he's pull the PC chain.

Until somebody can produce an animal that understands, desires and consents to the concept of marriage I'll have to consider this just the ravings of just another right wing nutter.

Lol Wobbles!
I know the subject is not a laughing matter, but when you really think about it...
I would prefer to go with the right-wing nutter concept...

The pot, runner, calls the kettle black.
SEX has always been dirty, ask his Church.
The very basic need for us to continue to live Christianity made it dirty, all of it.
But apparently not the Rape and Molestation of Children in its care.
Sex Drives humanity, we have more skeletons in our cupboard there than any place.
But if Cory was not a right wing troll?
He would be condemned.
If it was not homosexuals he targeted? he would be condemned.
Here is a truth.
IF we continue to set two standards, one for our side of politics another for our enemy's, we are demanding only the end of any standards.
It is my view Individual does that, and runner too.
Leave the anti gay bit out re-look, who thinks this country will ever consider legal sex with animals?
Who values victory at any cost for their side of politics more than TRUE ACCOUNTABILITY for every one?

Gay people had no choice with the sexuality that they are born with.
Suseonline,
Are you inferring that Gays are sexually/romantically handicapped ? You could be onto something ?

Who should be under attack are the truly perverted members of society, the RELIGIOUS, the lunatics who believe in some fanciful god. Those that think this non existent being has given them the unchallenged right to dictate to all what is good, what is acceptable, what is moral. The religious have no such authority and rather than looking out and preaching to the rest their pious edicts on social morality, they should look inward at their own perverted organizations and the record of those that lead them.
In Australia the religious and their way of thinking has too much of a voice within both the Labor and Liberal parties. The power of the religious was born out when two thirds of Parliament voted against, what is after all, the wishes of the vast majority of Australians, gay marriage.

the unchallenged right to dictate to all ..
Paul1405,
You mean in a similar fashion that the Gay Group are dictating to normal society ?
I can not help feeling that homosexuality is a fashionable illness just as you believe that it is not.
Stop pushing whatever you're pushing & all will settle to everyone's satisfaction.

'Normal society' Individual?
You mean people like you are more 'normal' than others who don't think and act like you do?

No one is asking you to be gay, or indeed have anything to do with them if you so choose
.
It still beats me why anyone else would give a damn what other law-abiding , consenting adults do in their own homes.

No one can force their archaic religious views on others in our increasingly secular society.

This kerfuffle is all crap. Did Cory link Gays with Bestiality? I don't think so. He did ask a question. What next bestiality? As one would ask. What next, vacuum cleaners or blow-up dolls? I don't feel that the question poses a link with Gays. Unless, of Course, Gays want it to, to make a Politically Correct claim that they are being victimised. I feel that, as they lost the vote, that this is what this whole kerfuffle is all about. Gays are victims.

Paul1405: The power of the religious was born out when two thirds of Parliament voted against, what is after all, the wishes of the vast majority of Australians, gay marriage.

I’ll take this in two parts.

First part. I’m not religious & statistically about 75% of Australians aren’t either. I don’t agree with Gay Marriage. I do agree that there should be a way of passing on inheritance or sharing information, such as in Hospitals, Next of kin etc., but not a formal marriage.

Part 2. The ”vast majority” is a claim made by the by Gay/Greenie/Politically Correct Community. I doubt that it is a “vast majority”. A ”vocal minority,” for sure, but not a “vast majority.” Of course, if you take a poll of a 1000 people in Gay Bars in Melbourne & Sydney or on a Politically Correct Uni Campus, then you will get a poll that will say a “vast majority. Which is where most Gay supporting Polls are taken.

jayb! come on gay green? you are talking rot.
Abbott,s Sister is gay, Katers brother is too.
You seem to want us to think being gay is a political affiliation!
Why then did Abbott pump him to the back benches.
Do not try to get rational debate from Indy, it is beyond him.
I refuse to think any percentage of Australians, ever, would consider legalizing animal sex.
But warn! Politici8ans on both sides cover up Church sins against kids.
Unwis3e words that got wise treatment Cory would agree-now.

Belly: You seem to want us to think being gay is a political affiliation!

JB: The ”vast majority” is a claim made by the Gay/Greenie/Politically Correct Community.

Ok Belly, I'll make it easier for you to understand.

The ”vast majority” is a claim made by Gay Groups, and Greenie Groups, and the proponents of Politically Correctness Groups in the Community.

Does that make it any clearer for you. I would say a deliberate attempt at misinterpretation by you & not a very good one at that.

EEERRRRANNT! Fail.

Belly: I refuse to think any percentage of Australians, ever, would consider legalizing animal sex.

You'll get no argument from me. although Kiwi's might apply for an exemption on sheep. Me, I like ducks. Their soft feet & their Tsh, tsh, tsh little bills & the way they flap their wings, OOOOH! Better than chooks. OOOOH... I am a sick puppy. ;-)

Belly: But warn! Politicians on both sides cover up Church sins against kids.

Yes they do. Unfortunately the Catholics seem to bear the brunt when in reality it's all Church Organisations, Cubs & Scouts, Gymnastics or anywhere where kids gather.

Belly: Unwise words that got wise treatment

I don’t think so. As I said previously, this was an excuse for Abbott to get rid of an independent mind in the Party. Political Parties won't tolerate that. I simply don't see the link in asking the Question, "What next After Gay Mmarriage, Bestiality?" He could have asked, “What’s next, vacuum cleaners & blow-up dolls?”

Jayb,

"...I simply don't see the link in asking the Question..."

Why did he ask the question in that case?

I'll tell you why he posed the question.

He posed the question in order to intimate that the formal sanctioning of gay marriage was the first step in a natural progression of perversion. He was attempting to denigrate the notion of gays marrying by associating it with bestiality.

Blow up dolls, vacuum cleaners, animals, i thought it was supposed to be consensual

It still beats me why anyone else would give a damn what other law-abiding , consenting adults do in their own homes.
Suseonline,
If you were to read what's written you'd have noticed a long time ago that normal people couldn't give a hoot what you lot are up to in the privacy of your home as you rightly state above.
The problem is that you lot aren't happy with that, you see an urge to constantly shove your habits into our faces, you're not happy with being left alone. You want this confrontation because you lot aren't normal. Normal people do their thing without demanding others to have to accept you. Stop the constant demanding of the lowering of standards.

individual,

"...you lot aren't normal..."

Lol!

Gee, Suse, don't you reckon that's shocking news.

Apparently individual is the new arbiter of "normal".

Double Lol!

Lol Poirot!
I agree.

For the record Individual, I am not gay.
So now all those who aren't gay, but support gay marriage , are abnormal as well then?

Gee, I would love to hear your definition of a 'normal' human in Australia?

One thing is for sure, Cory's views on Homosexuality aren't considered 'normal', or he wouldn't have been sacked...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8536817/bernardi-pulls-out-of-uk-summit
Reading between the lines it is very possible the bloke was asked not to attend.
After all, he did travel all that way, then pull out.
What ever the reason, I am truely stunned.
Not by his actions.
But by those only too willing to side with him.
Standards are slipping and asking for accountability only from those you oppose is the reason.

definition of a 'normal' human in Australia
Suseonline,
you got me there. Everywhere else though it is definable.

Sus no need to be concerned, Indy is not even happy, incapable of understanding, and of posting without insulting.
I first thought how offensive that was, but it is far from his first, will not be the last.
And I truly think our Indy is doing the best he can, for a right hander.

I am convinced that Bernardi's comments say more about his fetid imagination, desires and a projection of his low opinions of his South Australian constituents than anything else, but…

I think I'm more annoyed that he missed a couple of sitting days of Parliament last week in order to fly to London. Given how relatively few days of the year parliamentarians actually 'parliment', shouldn't they lose pay pro rata – unless they have a sick note from their parents?

And just who paid for the flights to Britain, and the accommodation? And now that he's cancelled speaking at the European Young Conservative Freedom Summit does he have to refund any of the money?

And I truly think our Indy is doing the best he can, for a right hander.
Belly,
I prefer being a right hander with something to get grip on than being a left hander with nothing to grab.

"Could it be possible that some individuals try to suppress their latent homosexuality through their continual reference to a distorted belief in normality." So said Freud, Joe Freud that is, world famous house painter and part time shrink.

You may well be on to some thing Paul.
Some thing must drive a mind content to name half our country so often as lesser beings.
And in truth,the constant condemnation of us all, no brains no culture questions, the author not us.

half our country so often as lesser beings.
Belly,
Anyone who tries so hard to ruin this country is a lesser being in my view. It's your choice which half you want to be part of.

Not yours my right handed friend.
It has been a joy, every time life teaches me something new.
Some times it lets me know I am wrong.
And I learn from that.
And sometimes I am introduced to one such as you.
A person who returns the hand of friendship with out its fingers.
And plumbs the depths looking for insults that fall back on his/her own feet.
A person who both teachs me, and proves for some, constructive debate, discussion, is an impossibility.
I remember others, who too tried to under stand what irks you, and failed.
Yet you add color, even if a neutral unattractive one, as some try to see why you see a world no others do.

Belly,
I am fully aware that the truth hurts but I had no idea you were in such pain.

Joe Freud world famous house painter and part time shrink also said. "The individual when confronted with the reality of his own existence will often resort to total denial of his latent homosexuality, projecting the macho image of his misconceived view of normality." The big test for this is the obvious question. "Do you like the Village People?" If one answers yes then Joe concluded he is a liberated and open homosexual. If one answers no then Joe concluded he is a closet homosexual in need of liberation. What's it to be Individual, Village People, love em' or hate em'.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-gets-his-man-eventually-20120922-26dih.html
Take away the biases we all have.
And the link on many fronts is a balanced look at the reality of politics Australia 2012.
Maybe it too, the link, would fit the Labor gaining ground thread.

Getting sacked for a simple prediction ?

individual,

You got the "simple" part right.

Poirot,
Obviously, but not simple enough for you to get the gist.

Poirot,
There surely must be quite a number of spouses of left-wing politicians who must feel they're married to a Goose. The next step will be the real thing. Cory wasn't that far off.

Hmmm... extracted from The Star.com today:

"A man who was mauled by a Siberian tiger after jumping into the animal’s den at New York’s Bronx Zoo will be charged with criminal trespassing, New York City police said Saturday.

David Villalobos... was taken to a local hospital in critical condition...

A law enforcement source... confirmed a report that the man told police he had wanted to be “one with the tiger.”

“Everybody in life makes choices,” Villalobos responded, according to the spokesman.

[NYPD spokesman] Browne said that Villalobos’ Facebook page suggests he’s an animal lover but gives no further clues about his motive."

WM Trevor,
Grrrrrh !
The best thing they could have done with that moron is to let the tiger have his way with him.
Just imagine the money spent on treating him going to a needy family instead.
There has to be a stop to idiocy & a start to sense.

Yep, individual, you're a real treat.

Just imagine if civilised culture rested on the base that you're suggesting.

I wonder who'd get to make the judgement on who does or doesn't deserve treatment and care. Lots of people do stupid things and get injured in the process. It's a penchant of teenage boys, for instance, to test the limits, often with disastrous results.

I'll have to agree with Individual on this one. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. I know your hearts in the right place Poirot but I have no sympathy for the contestants of the Darwin Awards what-so-ever.

Poirot: I wonder who'd get to make the judgement on who does or doesn't deserve treatment and care.

Maybe we could have an Unpolitically Correct Court just to deal with idiots & they could decide.

Poirot: Lots of people do stupid things and get injured in the process.

Yes & they sue people for their own stupidity. Eg; The bloke who whilst driving his Motor Home put the cruise control on & went back to make himself a cup of coffee. He won millions. He should have been put in a home for the stupid. Or, the woman who threw hot coffee at her boyfriend. She missed & spilt it on herself then she slipped in it. Sued & won? See the Darwin Awards every year.

Poirot: It's a penchant of teenage boys, for instance, to test the limits, often with disastrous results.

Yes, & there weren’t so many idiots around those days because the stupid ones removed themselves from the Gene Pool quickly. Nowadays, they are saved & we are stuck with them sueing people for their own stupidity.

Anyway what's this got to do with the Cory thing?

"Anyway what's this got to do with the Cory thing?"

If you check out snopes.com's Stella Awards you'll find everything from "Yes & they sue people for their own stupidity... through to "...Sued & won?"

is, if not an outright lie, at least a false statement.

That seems an adequate connection.

Anyway what's this got to do with the Cory thing?
Jayb,
The moron was 25 so he wasn't a silly teen plus we don't know what he wanted to do with the tiger. You never know he might be a left-winger supporting gay marriage & just wanted to take things to the next level,(see Cory) hoping he might get the approval of some.
Too bad for him he wasn't the tiger's type.

jayb ,not good for your reputation.
Agreeing with indy.
I see no link to the subject but highlight the needless slagging of lefty,s again.
It reminds me however that some are l-equipt to throw verbal stones.

Jayb,

I'm fairly sure it's been established that the motor home-on-cruise-control tale is an urban legend...ie, it keeps evolving, Lol. It was originally some dotty women who was supposed to have gone and made the cuppa....

Belly,
Give it a break and, because you don't seem to get it you're merely getting upset when I get back at you on your level.
You're the one who comes back with ridicule rather than an intelligent reply. If you want me to stop then you have stop starting the crap.
Cory has pointed out a very possible scenario in a few years down the track. Those people who do stupid things might either be stupid or deranged in various ways. We need to let them experience the repercussions of their actions. If we continue to mollycoddle them, excuse for them, waste effort & money on them then we as a society are the losers. As much as compassion sounds like a heart-warming idea it is dragging us down. Many people can see that now but many more don't. Keep in mind that wrongly placed compassion combined with ignorant goodwill results in perfecting dysfunction.

Indy: Cory has pointed out a very possible scenario in a few years down the track.

Now I get it. I agree 40 years ago we would not be having this discussion. Gays were Poofs & you wouldn't be caught dead knowing one. That has evolved with the eveloution of Political Correctness into the situation we have today. So who knows, in 40 years, sex with animals may become as mainstream as Homosexuallity is in to days world. I suppose that's what Cory was getting at & I don't see whets wrong asking that question.

Indy: Those people who do stupid things might either be stupid or deranged in various ways. We need to let them experience the repercussions of their actions.

Ok so it's an urban myth (not according to the guy who made the ads for the famous RV's.) But there are a myriad of other stupid things that people have done apart from wanting to be & being very nearly "One with a Tiger." Shoving a skyrocket up your backside & lighting it. (as on Utube) for one. Do we need to let them experience the repercussions of their actions. Yes! Not having a warning about where not to shove a skyrocket shouldn't be necessary. CDF (ask anyone who’s been in the Navy) comes naturally to some but not to others it seems, & they, usually remove themselves from the Gene Pool fairly quickly which I don't have a problem with.

Individual would you care to comment on why that post was so very much better than your average?
Or why after your usual insulting short jab is questioned by a few, not just me,you do put a better one up.
Only to slip back in to bad habits in the next one.
Has the thought your views are different than most ever came to you.
Is there any chance you may be wrong.
Can I say without you challenging my IQ, political stand, worthiness to live, I disagree with most of what you post?
This thread ,for me, may be as its poster I do not have the right?, questions just how far can ANY POLITICIAN go.
And my view Cory,s brain is not linked to his mouth, any one know if he is related to Abbott? Pyne?

Belly,
Jayb summed it up perfectly, if people still don't get it then they'll never get it. We have to accept that stupid people are just that & no amount of help or money will change that. We need to let the Gene pool do it's thing. Promoting sexual deviation will destroy us. We're supposed to strive for a better society not an increasingly dysfunctional one. Many countries are beyond recovery, Australia's still got a good chance. Let's start with sensible education & focus on reality. Let normal people get involved, stay away from the advise of mainly academic experts. There's ample proof that kinky asexual academic do-gooder experts get it wrong time & time again.

OMG, this'll be twice I aggreed with Indy. Belly I don't think you have any option, distastefull as it may be, you'll have to agree with this particular post.

Indy could you tell of a better supporter?
I have far less faith in the bloke than you.
I at the very start said I am not too keen on homosexuality, I remain so.
But in the end, while trying to avoid contact I know they are not automatically twisted or monsters.
I stay that distance because some try to intrude on ordiary blokes.
That does not drive me to hate, or to think we should become bigots.
I could throw thoughts about you much worse than you do about others, mate I would avoid you, because of nothing other than your thought process put on display here.
Let them have a form of commitment, lets not place them in bed with animals, and lets not white wash Cory.
Nothing constructive in one single post from any one, defending the bloke.
Abbott,s actions have been supported with in his party indeed nearly called for.
While forever my opponent Cory IF he learns from his BLUNDER can comeback.
Not however by defending his brain snap.

Well it's started. NineMSN, Headlines. "Woman caught in indecent act with Horse."

A 35 year old woman near the small town of Lismore in N.S.W. was caught having sex with a horse. She wasn't married to it (didn't own it) because that hasn't come up yet.

Maybe Cory was right to be worried after all. You never know what these loony Greenie, PC types get up to in the privacy of their own paddocks. It's all that grass, you see.

In that area the lass may be a jodhpurs wearing high income, Woman who still calls England home.
Takes horse riding in to a whole new area.
Cory is no trend setter, so let him off this time.