While there is another thread dealing with the actual riot and people's reactions to it, I would like to consider the motivations of those involved.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-incredible-muslim-hulk-proves-to-be-no-friend-of-islam-either-20120916-260e8.html

What is clear from various sources is that no one interviewed that was involved had seen the video, however, many had felt for a long time that the status in the west of Islam and Muslims in general was second class. The riots in Sydney and around the world which included violence and offensive language against Christians were a visceral lashing out at the west (perceived as the oppressors) with the film being a pretext. That this action is obviously counter productive is besides the point.

Australian society bends over backwards to accommodate those of different religions and cultures, but limits this by insisting on compliance with western standards, rights and laws, leading to a direct conflict with sharia law embedded within Islam. This leads to a vicious circle of isolation of a large portion of the Muslim community, and an extremism developing. The cry that this is isolated to a few individuals is undermined by a number of Islamic organisations refusing to condemn the rioters.

Action needs to be taken to reverse this trend, maybe even an intervention (in my opinion) to educate the youth in Australian values and the reasons for them. Secondly, prevent the access of those with isolationist views from access especially exclusive access to these youth. Neither of these will be easy without stepping on toes, and I invite the opinions of OLO as to how, or even whether, it can be achieved.

I posted this in the other thread, but it fits better here.

Just a general comment on Semitic peoples…………they are not good neighbours when they achieve critical mass. Most Semitic people come from the Middle East, with the exception of the few that travelled to Europe over a thousand years ago, the best known of these groups are the Ashkenazi Jews.

Semitic tribes, and they are still tribes, embrace a culture whose rules were laid down over two thousand years ago. They fight amongst themselves as much as they struggle against outsiders and tribal group thinking pervades the society.

I recall how the European Jews who inherited Israel in 1948 violently protested when Ethiopian Jews tried to immigrate to Israel. Later it was the Russian Jews who did not fit the bill and were and still are ostracized in Yiddish and Orthodox Israel cultures.

In most Semitic nations you have a culture divided, even the Mohammadans who never kicked off until 700AD found a divider for their new societies….Sunni or Shia. The point is that the Arab brother is only a brother if he is on your team, if not you can kill him, and they do regularly. So the expectation that they will accept an infidel or adopt the infidel’s culture or rules is post grad dreamtime.
TBC

Please do not recount to me about the Arabs or Jews who you have know for decades and they are ordinary folks, like yourself, because you are naively wrong. They are ordinary folks, but there is one major difference. You can never be like them because as they perceive it because you are not from their tribe, and as simplistic as that sounds it is fact and the primary fact that gives them their identity as a people and you are totally alien to it.

Multiculturalism has failed, but a multinational society that primary adheres to one culture but with grafts from the home country added works beautifully and enriches the host culture. We have seen it in the New World Countries such as America, Canada, and here in Australia. I have the vaguest of memories of the post WWII immigration intake, it was the first time I heard Australian spoken with an accent, except at the local Chinese restaurant. Then the supposedly dreaded hordes from South East Asia and Vietnam invaded us and became great citizens, who embrace Aussie culture while keeping their roots.

Then we imported the Muslims, the Semites, and we received exactly the afore described cultural character traits that sees chaos and upheaval as the norm rather than co existence. But it is a critical mass thing, they will wait before becoming vocal and demanding, it's starting now

Dear Shadow Minister,

I would be very welcoming of a thread that contains a reasonable discussion of the issue so am happy to contribute.

I think we really need to settle a question. While abhorring the violence both real and implied in the Sydney protest are we able to affirm the right of peaceful protest, even over matters that might only concern a minority of us?

I was offended over Piss Christ, not because of any religious beliefs but on behalf of the strongly affirming Christian friends I had, and because I thought it was gratuitous.

From what I saw of this latest film I again was offended, both on behalf of my fellow Australians who are of the Muslim faith and because of how bad it was.

Do I think it unreasonable for people to gather in protest over such a thing? No, not at all.

Everyone should have the right to be offended over anything we choose. We should also have that right to express to others the offence we feel. But violence and calls for beheadings should deeply offend us all.

Shadow Minister, Sharia law is not "embedded within Islam". That's a false claim. It's embedded within Fundamentalist Islam. The VAST majority of Muslims worldwide totally REJECT the ancient, backward Sharia law. Just like the VAST majority of Christians totally reject the brutal ancient Christian law. I'm sure you already know this, but choose to ignore it in order to present Islam in a worse light. Nice try.

We can dress this up any way you like, but it purely comes down to religion is being used as an excuse for violence, by violent people.

Some may be psychopathic or sociopathes in nature.

On one hand we get shoved down out throats about cultural sensitivity and awareness, and then there are those, as these demonstrators show that have no tolerance or acceptance of anyone who has different veiws or values from them,

So to them the answer is to behead those who do not share their values or views.

I can not help but wonder when the religous cleansing will begin, with christian's being sent to death camps just like Hitler sent the jews.

Diamondpete,

The elements of Sharia law are written in the Koran by Mohammed, not "interpreted" later.

The vast majority of Muslims do not eschew Sharia law, as most Muslim nations have most of the elements of it in their legal system. Even Turkey the most secular state is fighting off attempts to bring it in.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/groomed-to-hate-security-expert-fears-parents-are-radicalising-their-children/story-e6frg6nf-1226476147233

we both been arround a long long time

think

govt is sitting..others want to shut down web
censore stuff..but govt needs to be activated..to bring in draconiam cencure of not only the web but free speech GLOBALLY*

thus they need the media..to beat up the drums of war
HATE fear..lies setups black flags red flags

ANYTHING..to get the new powers

mate their selling a dukk..setti ng up the play
sending in dial a terroist..WHY?..someone is wanting new powers*

spying is about knowing your secrets
censure is about getting the right law's..so get out there and beat up fear..YOUR BETTERS WANT MORE POWERS*

Is Sharia law promoted by both Sunni & Shia sects ?
I know that their dispute is over the successor to Mahommad.
Does it however go further ?

The Saudi Arabian Sunni seem more strict than any others.
I guess my question is, from our point of view is one more preferable than the other ?

JamesH <"can dress this up any way you like, but it purely comes down to religion is being used as an excuse for violence."

Tell me James, did you feel the same way about all the Catholics and Protestants bombing the hell out of each other in Ireland not so long ago?

Did we denounce all people belonging to those religions at the time?
Did we refuse admission to Australia to all Irish or English people practicing those religions?

I doubt anyone can say that there hasn't been violence committed in the name of many Gods, and indeed without a God!

I see today that many religious leaders in Sydney have denounced the actions of a few amongst their flocks.
Good on them.

I believe the world would be a better place with no organized religions at all.

Suzieonline, christianity has committed numerous crimes in the name of religion.

Again in Northern Island, religion was used as an excuse for criminal activity, by both sides and the same psycopathy/sociopathy existed.

JamesH,

The Protestants in Northern Ireland come from Scotland and England many years ago, and the differences with the Catholics are way more than religious.

we have all sinned..but by gods grace and mercy
will be allowed to redeem..in full lifes damages
restore any material huh?-man..error..

in our past we were ALL less..than the best of men/jesu/pbu all the fathers teachers..thanks be to seeing the better for the few so all men..recieve in time a fair share of the fathers inheritance

tomorrow we wil yet again..do it better
being 'better'..than we are today..INDIVUALLY and collectivly..

it must be recalled..the words jesus scribed..at the stoning
'thou shalt not murder'..just as murder is the lowest base form of jehad..[charity//love to other..is the highest jihad

then knowledge..that gods mortal living HEIRS..EVERY life sustained to live by god..THAT all life be the best..HAVE the best..'life expiernce'..according to its god given form

that we each livbing thing..NOW*
..be the best that god intends ALL to be..

may gods peace grave and mercy be upon you all
the chosen..that chose this time..to serve thyselves..

for true love of other
is charity for them..cause it feels so good to help god...sustaining your life as well as the other*

perhaps..*entertaining angels unawares*

judging the messANGER..by those who recieved his mess age
when the messangers were clear..its not about you\/me..

but giving BACK ..to god...
that only god can give/sustain and enjure

endjure

We in Australia are better off without Muslims. HOW CAN WE GET RID OF THEM BEFORE THEY START THEIR DEMANDS? If a religion requires threats of beheading, throat cutting, stoning etc to protect it from criticism and lampooning it cannot be sustainable. Their medieval and totally inadequate dogma achieves little else other than mental instability among its followers. I find their response to the video as stupid as the video itself.

Sunni or Shia - Catholic or Protestant - rival Hindu groups arguing over the eating of beef - conflict between Jewish sects on beliefs or ethnicity - it's universal.

Even followers of the Dalai Lama are known for violently oppressing rival Tibetan Buddhist groups.

Schisms and fragmentation - it's just religion doing what it does best.

killing the unborn, homosexuality, lying when making vows, blasphemng, being unfaithful, drunkedness, drug taking 'its what secularism doing what it does best'.

Gee runner, aren't all thos things done by self-proclaimed self-righteous Christians too?
Maybe the church is against abortion (which isn't mentioned in the Bible anyway) because otherwise they would run of of children to molest?