Poirot,

There was nothing sarcastic in my comments, or snide - I meant every word, out in the open. But I look forward to the day when people who consider themselves Left can think for themselves, without a simple-minded knee-jerk reaciton ("is it pro-US ? Therefore bad. Is it anti-US in some way ? Therefore good.").

Where is the feminism of yesteryear, back when women stuck up for each other, when they didn't put culture before people, and certainly had some notion that culture was generally anti-women ? And certainly they were right on the money when they condemned backward cultural practices, such as this one. Yes, granted, you called FGM barbaric, then blotted your copy-book by ranting about male circumcision, which is nothing like FGM, absolutely not comparable. It's simply not a matter of 'tu quoque' this time around, Poirot.

No - no sarcasm, noting snide or back-handed - all out in the open. You say your piece, I'll say mine. I think your stance is abhorrent, anti-Left, craven and gutless. You give the honourable Left a bad name.

Joe

Frankly, Joe, replying to your antagonistic dribble ain't worth the effort.

You delight in misrepresenting your opponents intentions, skewing their motives with your own provocative slant.

I find your style shameless.

I'm over debating disingenuous prats.

"Does male circumcision have any effect on male sexual sensation ? I don't think so - I'm not even sure how that could happen by the removal of over-burden, so to speak."

Actually it certainly does, by the removal of masses of sensitive skin nerves.

It was encouraged by that loony health crusader John Harvey Kellog in the 19th Century as a way to curb masturbation. He also stipulated that it be done without anesthetic so the pain memory would remain as a further disincentive.

Circumcision gained popularity in Australia when our diggers came home from WW1 with all sorts of infections allegedly caused by sand and other foreign irritants. The truth was that most were riddled with syphilis.

Most European countries still don't do it where it's still primarily regarded as a Jewish practice.

You need not hide poirot you have said nothing wrong.
I think benefits come from the male one, slavery is inferred by the other quote to lessen female libido.
Stand firm, no country execpting mass Muslim Migrants is ever the same.
O sung wo, stay the course my friend we need such as you.
I know the streets of Sydney have lived there.
The good the bad the ugly it is lessor for the pork chops that did these acts yesterday women too.
No intent in this next to hurt anyone.
But in reality sorry fact is no God exists, but every other one has more claim to be one than this one.
Read their holly book.
Be confident, this will change we are not all PC bound to turn the other cheek.

Belly & o sung wu,
I don't know what your definition of culture is. Any activity that involves competition is not culture. Culture is borne of peoples' intellect to provide satisfaction via activities which are not competition based. Football, racing, gambling, drinking, fishing etc. are not cultural activities.
A way of life is not culture either. In my book at least, culture is from within for within & to be shared without, now read carefully, COMPETITION". Learning is culture.
FGM as is any mutilation is wrong. Just look at tattoos, piercings etc. they're mutilations also but at least they're done voluntarily to a large extent. FGM is forced. Operations are mutilations at times but mainly accidental.
I simply shudder at how much stupidity is actually running free out there. Scary.

People, dear people. Let's try to keep things civil without
stooping to personal insults. I know we all tend to
react when the right buttons are pushed,
And this is so easy to do especially when it comes to
emotive issues. But, hey, it's only a discussion.

Joe (Loudmoth), I'm surprised at you hurling personal insults at
Poirot. BTW - How do you know what side of politics she's on?
I always thought that she's more of a centrist - (in the centre)
when it comes to politics, and that she (like me), bases her
judgements more on policies. Anyway, what do her political
inclinations have to do with the topic under discussion?

Seriously Joe - we're all entitled to our opinions. Sweeping,
illogical accusations won't help anyone win the argument. Nobody
likes an illogical, abusive debater.