Was surprised to read today about arrests made in relation to FGM being carried out on to young girls in NSW, see link below.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sheik-over-female-genital-mutilation/story-e6freuy9-1226473482572

The laws prohibiting the practice were made in 1994 and this will be the first prosecution since the laws were enacted.

Finally there will be some action and all I can say is that it is about bloody time. This barbaric practice has been carried out on Australian girls for far too long and our authorities have turned a blind eye to it.

I note charges have also been laid in WA against some others, alleging that they sent, or took, a girl to Bali for the mutilation.

I trust the prosecutions will be successful and that stiff penalties will be imposed.

I also sincerely hope that others will come forward and provide information that could lead to further charges.

I would like to see it mandatory for medical staff to report to police where they suspect FGM has been carried out.

Banjo not before time and the tip of an ice berg.
I will not hide my head under a blanket.
Not run in fear of PC.
And not hide my view for some, far too many, this makes a mockery of the lie Multi subcultures,.
A continuation of this torture against the laws of this country and .
I truly doubt the pain and suffering of these children, and they number thousands, matter to some WASPS.
As much as a wish to not truly look at SOME practices from SOME Muslims.
I too refuse ti include any previous wave of migrants in my concerns, we are talking about a single group.
It will never be our culture to torture children, to assert male dominance over females.

Dear Banjo,

I know how much this means to you.
You've been an advocate against this for quite some
time. Let us trust that this is only the beginning
for people that break the laws of this country.

cont'd ...

How do you feel about circumcision?

Lexi,
I an in two minds about male circumcission because of conflicting medical evidence. It is a difficult decission for parents, but the operation is minor compared to FGM, where actual organs are cut and flesh removed. I simply shudder when thinking about what the poor girls endure and later in life.

I just hope the prosecutions are successfull and it encourages other states to follow suit. It may also encourage other people to come forward with evidence.

I was of the mind that it would take a death or two of some young girls before any charges were made. Thankfully that has not happened, to our knowledge, and this may be the start of a new era.

Belly,
The problem here is that our politicians have bowed to multiculturalism and not enforced the law. The evidence has been there from emergency wards of hospitals. Girls have been brought in suffering shock, bleeding and infection and it has only been the skill of medical staff that has prevented deaths.

Statistics are not available on how much FGM is carried out here, but Auburn and Canterbury hospitals have specialist units to deal with post FGM problems. The Royal Melbourne hospitial sees about 700 patients per year. Just how many of these are with fresh FGM wounds is unknown. Other hospitals would see post FGM patients as well.

While the majority carrying out this practice may be muslim, not all would be as apparently some non muslims in Africa also practice FGM. As well not all muslims practice FGM. So it is cultural rather than religous.

Since 1994 we have engaged in an extensive education program which has clearly failed as the incidence is increasing. Apparently some girls that were 'done' here are now getting their own daughters 'done',such is the strength of cultural practice.

Dear Banjo,

It certainly not easy dealing with and or understanding
the habits of other cultures. I have to admit that I
don't know that much about FGM - except that it is a
very controversial issue and illegal in Australia.
But as we know making something illegal is not going to
stop some people from breaking the law.

As you say - perhaps with this case - this may indeed be
the beginning of stronger control, though how successful it
will be - I guess only time will tell.

Thank Goodness that we don't have cultures that want to
practice cannibalism here - eh? (joke).

Interesting question, Banjo, re "...flesh removed..."

FGM is barbaric, yet it's really the "degree" of flesh removal that is the major distinction between FGM and male circumcision - not the "principle" of removing natural/normal genital flesh for whatever reason.

Perhaps nothing has been done about it before because police action would mean that those practicing FGM would stop bringing girls to the hospital for treatment after the procedure. Whatever the reason the practice should not be allowed.

Death has walked hand in hand with this practice for century,s.
Often carried out by near butchers, its roots go back ,research, to controlling females.
It has no place here, and yes not all Muslims do it, other races, far less do it, remember Africa is mostly Muslim.
Can we ignore the deaths, pain,unnecessary suffering, because some think it is culture/serving God?
What other group of migrants ever,
Bought with them a need to disobey our laws, inflict such torture and hide it from us?
My point is not one and we are the better for them coming here .
The3 best doco I ever saw against the practice came from within the Muslim world, it used the very words I do.

I'm going right out on a limb here, by only possessing children, all of the male gender...

What is the true reason/motivation that (some) people of certain cultures, seek to undertake such a 'procedure' ?

And in those countries, from where these cultures originate, is the 'procedure' carried out in a hospital environment or in a sort of 'backyard' setting ?

Sorry for such inane questions folks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
o sung wo we would be better for much more questions like yours.
So very many put views forward without truly understanding.
My opinions are often heated on this issue.
And those practicing it here and any place.
I offer in my defense a link, a thousand could be found.
In Africa little more than witch doctors often carry out this shameful mutilation.
Death is a constant.
Invite readers to read the link.

Those who perform & those who demand FGM should be locked away for good with cyanide pill on the cell's bedside table for their personal use.

o sung wu,
From my reading on this, in Australia it is most commonly carried out on the kitchen table by a visiting operative who is paid by the parents. The 'patient' is held down by a number of older women or aunties and the cutting performed with say a razor blade, stanley type knife, scapel or some other sharp instument. Whether locasl anaesthesia is used or not would depend on the operatives medical experience and access to such. Sterilization of insutments and the pubic area similarly would depend on the operatives medical experience.

Patients legs are bound together afterwards so as not to allow movement that will hinder the healing process. Aftercare is at home and may or may not involve visits by the operative, depending upon the fee charged.

That is not the end of suffering for the girl however, upon later marriage her labia may have to be opened (cut) by her husband to allow penile penertration. Later at childbirth she would require cutting again because scar tissue does not stretch like the natural tissue during birth. then stitches inserted after.

How much cutting depends on how radical the mutilation was.

Basically that is it, but information is available by googling.

'evening to you BELLY & BANJO...

Thank you both for providing me with some insight into this insidious practice. Of course, I've always been aware of the basics of this barbaric operation. But like many men, I didn't understand the real essentials, of the 'why', and 'how' the actual process is achieved.

By the sound of it, any comparison of FGM, with that of the normal practice of male circumcision, which is carried out by a Doctor in a Hospital, is both odious and nauseating.

How any parent; Of any culture; Of any religion; could ever subject their beloved daughter, to such a savage and brutal assault, just beggers belief ?

What in God's name are we doing, by allowing such......barbaric cruel, and evil people, to perpetrate such savagery on a little girl child, irrespective of their believe(s), and sense of what's culturally right ?

Politicians of all colours, must strenghen and where necessary, pass laws, allowing for the heaviest of punishment to be implemented on those individuals who commit such savagery.

I believe we all live in Australia. Not Auschwitz, Dachau, Ravensbruck or Buchenwald. If we, allegedly a decent and humane society, permit this practice to continue, for whatever reason(s).

Then surely, are we not just as culpable as those who meekly stood by and watched, as cruelty and atrocities were occurring daily in Dachau and similar ?

Technically, circumcision is also genital mutilation performed without consent. It's more a social decision than a medical one as there are more arguments against the practice than for it, yet it continues.

From the comments above one would think FGM is some sort of epidemic happening all over the country rather than a couple of incidents over 15 years or so.

I just will not seethe two compared.
FGM is mostly a back yard thing the other hospital.
Multiculturalism?, now hang on, it is not a true use of the word.
Early migration never saw demands to be free to break our laws.
Or even import their laws.
And what group hurts its children based on such primitive reasoning.
Problems with SOME Muslim migrants have NOTHING to do with Multiculturalism.
For SOME no intent to adopt our culture exists.

For SOME no intent to adopt our culture..
Belly,
So true, it's way too easy for them not to because there is nothing to adopt.
So far as our Laws are concerned all they need to do is disregard them because they're not going to get punished anyway. Only the decent get a wrapp over the knuckles here.

Indy old mate you live in a sad world.
One I think does not exist.
We have a culture.
In truth it is and always has been, with one exception, a multi one.
Our Ballards came from Ireland, Greeks , Italians, Germans bought so very much.
We went post ww2 from a mixed grill to some of the best food and customs the world can offer.
Every nation has contributed to our country and its progress.
We however are threatened by a religion , SOMETIMES in the wrong hands, SOMETIMES BLIND to all but its wishes.
SOME beliefs thrive on stalling learning out side the fence they produce.
Thrive on keeping SOME MINDS anchored in the middle ages.
I will not back away from my view SOME taint to word Multiculturalism in the name of a belief that has no foundation in reality.
What God? could teach that women are inferior? or to be owned?
Indy look around at the sporting events, beaches, any out door thing and say again we have no culture.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/sydney-protesters-call-for-beheadings/story-e6frg6nf-1226474756501
Yet another link, one worth a look, we stood in awe at the murders in the middle east.
The mob chanting for blood, even heads.
Now we are seeing just that, in our city,s.
We will see worse.
We are being imposed upon and lied to, by our politicians.
We are not moving toward a peacefull country.
But planting trouble, by being kind but blind.
My thoughts and best wishes to the Police we send to protect us.
Consider, what part did Australia play, or America?
IT is time to look again at who migrates to our country!

G'day there BELLY...

What can I say ? That's my former police force these people are attempting to over-run. Most of these people came here to escape the apparent tyranny and despotism that allegedy occurs in their homeland.

Yet they come here and behave in such a violent manner, all the time thinking the Oz police are simply too weak and cowardly to act ?

You know something BELLY ol' friend, I'm wondering why I should bother to try to extend my life any further, when I see this disgraceful abomination happening in my very own country.

In the stinking heat, in the oppressive jungles, in the late sixties, I dreamt of getting out of that bastard place alive, just so I could come home, see my parents and friends.

And yet all the time, so many of my countrymen and women were demonstrating against the bloody war. Afterwhich, they'd go home to their warm safe beds, and do it all again tomorrow...!

Forty five years later, now look what we've got.......?

Sure, a peaceful protest/demonstration or whatever, is one of the cornerstones of our democracy, but what's happening here ? Am I being a 'racist' by saying these people should be thrown out of our damn, weak, spineless, pathetic 'pointless' bloody country of ours ?

I sure am ? But at my age, I really couldn't give a damn. I've said it before, I'll say it again, Australia has had it, absolutely ! The quiet interior of a coffin, is getting more and more appealing by the day.

Belly,
You are quite right. It is past time we stopped immigration of those groups that have shown us they cannot/will not integrate.

These groups have no respect for us or our society and we should stop importing them.

Hi Poirot,

I was waiting for someone from the faux-Left to come out with some mealy-mouthed defence of the barbaric practices of Sharia. And right on cue, up you pop :)

What is the rationale for FGM ? That women are naturally sluts, all gagging for it, and the only way to keep them tamed is to hack out their entire clitoris, and remove all sexual sensation forever, even along the labia on both sides.

What is the rationale for male circumcision ? Mainly health reasons, to remove excess flaps of skin whih may harbor basteria otherwise. Circumcised men have a lower incidence of HIV, I'm told. Does male circumcision have any effect on male sexual sensation ? I don't think so - I'm not even sure how that could happen by the removal of over-burden, so to speak.

But you go ahead and tell us that all cultures, and all cultural practices, are equal and defend these repugnant pre-feudal ideologies - after all, they're not American, so they must be good.

You are a fine example of where the half-witted semi-Left stands these days, Poirot - keep it up.

Cheers,

Joe

:)

Up you pop, Loudmouth, displaying your odious and derailing commentaries on the meaning in other people's comments...

What didn't you understand about my comment "FGM is barbaric..."?

"...excess flaps of skin.." - what does that mean?

I was pointing out that interference with genital forms is a preoccupation of mankind...so you didn't have to launch (once again) into your "women are sluts and are gagging for it" routine...something you insist on pulling out no matter what the subject.

"You are a fine example of where the half-witted, semi-Left, stands these days, Poirot..."

And your sarcastic and belligerent posts, Mr Megamouth, are a fine example of how the snide get their jollies.

Poirot,

There was nothing sarcastic in my comments, or snide - I meant every word, out in the open. But I look forward to the day when people who consider themselves Left can think for themselves, without a simple-minded knee-jerk reaciton ("is it pro-US ? Therefore bad. Is it anti-US in some way ? Therefore good.").

Where is the feminism of yesteryear, back when women stuck up for each other, when they didn't put culture before people, and certainly had some notion that culture was generally anti-women ? And certainly they were right on the money when they condemned backward cultural practices, such as this one. Yes, granted, you called FGM barbaric, then blotted your copy-book by ranting about male circumcision, which is nothing like FGM, absolutely not comparable. It's simply not a matter of 'tu quoque' this time around, Poirot.

No - no sarcasm, noting snide or back-handed - all out in the open. You say your piece, I'll say mine. I think your stance is abhorrent, anti-Left, craven and gutless. You give the honourable Left a bad name.

Joe

Frankly, Joe, replying to your antagonistic dribble ain't worth the effort.

You delight in misrepresenting your opponents intentions, skewing their motives with your own provocative slant.

I find your style shameless.

I'm over debating disingenuous prats.

"Does male circumcision have any effect on male sexual sensation ? I don't think so - I'm not even sure how that could happen by the removal of over-burden, so to speak."

Actually it certainly does, by the removal of masses of sensitive skin nerves.

It was encouraged by that loony health crusader John Harvey Kellog in the 19th Century as a way to curb masturbation. He also stipulated that it be done without anesthetic so the pain memory would remain as a further disincentive.

Circumcision gained popularity in Australia when our diggers came home from WW1 with all sorts of infections allegedly caused by sand and other foreign irritants. The truth was that most were riddled with syphilis.

Most European countries still don't do it where it's still primarily regarded as a Jewish practice.

You need not hide poirot you have said nothing wrong.
I think benefits come from the male one, slavery is inferred by the other quote to lessen female libido.
Stand firm, no country execpting mass Muslim Migrants is ever the same.
O sung wo, stay the course my friend we need such as you.
I know the streets of Sydney have lived there.
The good the bad the ugly it is lessor for the pork chops that did these acts yesterday women too.
No intent in this next to hurt anyone.
But in reality sorry fact is no God exists, but every other one has more claim to be one than this one.
Read their holly book.
Be confident, this will change we are not all PC bound to turn the other cheek.

Belly & o sung wu,
I don't know what your definition of culture is. Any activity that involves competition is not culture. Culture is borne of peoples' intellect to provide satisfaction via activities which are not competition based. Football, racing, gambling, drinking, fishing etc. are not cultural activities.
A way of life is not culture either. In my book at least, culture is from within for within & to be shared without, now read carefully, COMPETITION". Learning is culture.
FGM as is any mutilation is wrong. Just look at tattoos, piercings etc. they're mutilations also but at least they're done voluntarily to a large extent. FGM is forced. Operations are mutilations at times but mainly accidental.
I simply shudder at how much stupidity is actually running free out there. Scary.

People, dear people. Let's try to keep things civil without
stooping to personal insults. I know we all tend to
react when the right buttons are pushed,
And this is so easy to do especially when it comes to
emotive issues. But, hey, it's only a discussion.

Joe (Loudmoth), I'm surprised at you hurling personal insults at
Poirot. BTW - How do you know what side of politics she's on?
I always thought that she's more of a centrist - (in the centre)
when it comes to politics, and that she (like me), bases her
judgements more on policies. Anyway, what do her political
inclinations have to do with the topic under discussion?

Seriously Joe - we're all entitled to our opinions. Sweeping,
illogical accusations won't help anyone win the argument. Nobody
likes an illogical, abusive debater.

Lexi I am afraid Joe is able to hold any view he wants to.
Yes a bit breathless at his seeming changed views over the past few months.
I once thought of him as a moderate, but having supported Piorot, hard even when she is against me not to, Joe too must be free to say as he wishes.
Individual, I find it hard to communicate with you.
But as you see, break my promise and try again.
Our minds eye paints a picture of those we talk to here, more wrong in reality than right [that may be a theme for a thread?]
You have me baffled.
You tell me you age is about mine, by your harking back to the 1970s, the time Labor destroyed your life.
You too see an out of work and control youth I do not.
And want a chain gang like National service to fix a problem we do not have.
Say75 years old? living on your own? nick name grumpy? how am I going?
Culture? been to Tamworth for country music week.
Maybe Bondi beach just to say you swam there.
Screamed with joy at a footy final, or as warny took his fifth wicket.
Watched the place stop for the Melbourne cup, sat with the Balmy army just to enjoy the slandering one another.
Heard about fair go mate? tell you what, rather be a road kill wombat than any thing else.

You're absolutely right, Belly, that anyone can say what they like (including Lexi).

However, none of us are obliged to respond to inflammatory and bellicose rhetoric if it so pleases us not to....and if we do respond, we should reserve the right to call the poster out on his or her aggressive misrepresentation.

Sorry, Lexi, Loudmouth by name, Loudmouth by nature, I suppose.

It's just that I sort of expected, and dreaded, somebody who posed as coming from the Left making a back-handed defense of FGM (the Yanks probably oppose it, after all), by comparing it with male circumcision, as if they were at all comparable.

Has male circumcision ever crippled anybody ? Does it really have any effect on sensation - if so, then some of you blokes out there must be walking sex maniacs.

And as for stopping masturbation, how did that go ? Come to think of it, my eyesight IS getting worse these days.

Let's try to stick to the issues, instead of using these tactics of (a) diverting away from the issues, on the one hand, and when that doesn't work, (b) playing this childish game of "Well, you did too .. you're just as bad .... nyah, nyah .... anyway my daddy'll put you in jail ..."

What are the issues ?

What are the problems with FGM, apart from lack of consent issues ? It can physically cripple, and it is explicitly intended to lessen or remove any female sexual pleasure, i.e. it is a means of control - surely there is little argument about that.

This may be understandable in backward societies, property-based peasant and pastoralist societies in which young women have to be watched, guarded, walled up, until they can be passed from one man, the father, to another, the husband, as a chattel, as part of the political and property arrangements between two families, so that she can be the receptacle, the vessel, in which the boys of the next generation can be grown. Then she can be put aside, into the kitchen, nursery and backyard.

I'm not sure what the US has to do with all that, but I'm sure some imaginative faux-Left person can squeeze it in somehow, as evil incarnate, and central to the FGM debate, oppressive of all non-Western cultures, etc., Pilger-like.

Cheers,

Loudmoth

Belly,
No matter how hard you try to make me look wrong & your assertion of me your last post is about as wrong as you could possibly get even with help from others.
Is it the fact that I actually care what's happening to Australia at the hands of you beloved party that gets you so stirred up ?
Give me one ounce of proof that I'm not saying anything other than wanting Australia recover from all the stupid things happening now.
I care about this country, do you ?

Lexi,

Loudmouth appears to be banging on about the US in relation to this topic and this thread...seemingly in connection with my original comment.

As in:

"I'm not sure what the US has to do with it, but I'm sure some imaginative faux-Left person can squeeze it in somehow, as evil incarnate, and central to the FGM debate, oppressive non-Western cultures, etc...."

I made no reference to the US.

It seems that the "US" in this particular discussion is central to the construction of his specialty - "the strawman".

Fascinating to to watch it in action...."strawman 101"

: )

Hi Poirot,

I thought you had retired from the discussion - welcome back :)

But on your last point, it must respectfully be pointed out that it's not always all about you.

The issue is about FGM, and by extension, how its supporters can be persuaded to abandon the practice - and in the process, value women equally with men. I'm confident that you would recognise that as an important and urgent goal in a just society.

Male circumcision is a red herring in that crucial discussion, and a pretty small one at that.

Cheers,

Joe
:)

Dear Loudmouth,

As I stated in my first post - FGM is illegal in
Australia and for good reasons. I have Googled the
subject and the medical reasons for why both Australian and
NZ gynecologists and obstetricians are so opposed to this
cultural practice. Hopefully as Banjo pointed out -
the latest case that will go before the courts
may help to alleviate this problem. Perhaps with time, as
new cultures become more adjusted to our way of life -
this nasty habit may eventually be stamped out altogether.

Dear Poirot,

I just finished watching Agatha Christie's, "Evil Under
The Sun," on GEM, starring Peter Ustinov as Hercule
Poirot, co-starring Maggie Smith, Diana Rigg, and a fantastic
cast. The ladies costumes (sigh) were wonderful.
I think that I was born in the wrong era. Oh to have the money
to indulge my fantasies. Put on the Ritz (on somebody else's
credit card). I couldn't help thinking is Poirot watching
this film?

Dear Belly,

I was not suggesting that Joe (Loudmoth) was not entitled
to his opinion. Merely not to using personal insults as
part of his response. That applies to all of us, of course.

Lexi nothing can change my good thoughts about you.
I am quite sure and able to handle it, that you too are concerned about my posting style.
However I am aware of my abruptness and content with it.
I write as I think and talk, not to impress, Joe is one , or has been , of the more balanced posters here.
A thing less common than it once was.
In the pure poison of this heated hung Parliament, fed by a media content to adopt a very low standard of reporting, some are growing less anchored to the civility we once had in this country.
I am sometimes rude, but prover-cation demands men be men, not walk away.
Of late the anti, not constructed, Labor stuff is plain silly, the expectation that Abbott ,without policy's, is a God in waiting equally so.
Constructive discussion is getting harder.
My politics is getting a bashing,even from me, but it is my way of fighting against my night mare my fear and my certainty.
Gillard cannot do other than destroy my party for at least a decade IF SHE STAYS!
For caring enough to say it now, not when standing broken hearted in our rubble? I will take the ill feeling .

Good afternoon to you Lexi...

You're always the voice of reason, commonsense, and impartiality. And I for one find it so very refreshing, in this topsy turvey world we all have to live (together) in.

Notwithstanding, I suspect our political views probably differ appreciably. However, you possess an intellect that allows you to put your view(s) in such a way, irrespective of how strongly one might disagree, never could most take offense at the way you express that view LEXI.

I do enjoy reading your contributions too. And in doing so, I continually marvel at the adroit methods you employ of imparting your opinions, seemingly without generating a multitude of 'threads' exuding hostility and belligerence, the sort of response that seems to come my way, all too frequently.

Anyway, I've said my piece LEXI. Particularly after you demonstrated your skilled 'peacemaker' role herein.

Thus, I'll bid you all, a good afternoon.

And a good evening to you BELLY...

Again, I thank you for your moral support, I really do. Sometimes I let my emotions surface, and at aged seventy I should have far more sense.

When I see what's happening to our country (I'm not speaking of any political issue), to the Aussie culture, some of the practices that prima facia, are quite foreign to our way of life -

I do really worry for the future. What's going to become of my kids (grown up now, fortunately), my grand children, my friend's and their family, our whole way of life that most of us now enjoy.

Anyway BELLY my friend, I'm sure my concerns are similar to yours. And similar to just about everybody on this Forum. We may possess differing views and opinions, but essentially, we're all basically the same.

So I dunno what the future has for us all ? We can but only hope.

Speak with you again soon BELLY, and thanks again for your support.

Lexi,

I think I was born in the wrong era too. I have quite a penchant for the early to mid 20th century.

I've seen that film, which is very well done for that genre - although, I have to say, I prefer David Suchet playing moi.

(sorry for the deviation, Banjo)

Piorot,
No sweat, I intend watching Agatha Christie later tonight. I find most commercial TV utter rubbish. I could challenge most on how quick i can mute advertisments. I did notice that the ABC news carried the FGM prosecutions far longer than the commercial channels.

Will try to follow the cases, the WA case is interesting in that the parents are alleged to have sent, or taken, the girl to Bali for the FGM.

It is utterly beyond my comprehension how anyone could inflict this pain and suffering on little girls with the object of dening them pleasure from sex later in life. I fervently hope the prosecuters have done their job and the court outcome is good.

Loudmouth,

OK, if you want to stick to the issues they are -

1. FGM is a barbaric cultural practice and should not be condoned in any civilised society.

2. It's against the law in this country and penalties exist for those who commit that crime.

And that's all.

The same could be said for a multitude of illegal activities. Why should this be treated with so much hysteria?

o sung wo mate I enjoy your company, and your comments about our Lexi.
Today I turn 67 feel about 30.
But am aware I am not.
I can not be other than me, the bloke I all ways have been.
A man of my time,once we knew and welcomed every one in our street country town.
Dad bought home lonely men, single liveing in railway camps till they could bring the wife and kids.
We had many great adopted uncles.
I can not pretend every thing is wonderful, it is not,I can not hide my contempt for those who inflict this on kids.
Never can I except the near slavery SOME WOMEN have inflicted on them by a God I do not beleive in.
Mate, it was folk like us who took up arms so often in the past, to defend our country.
And it will be the same folk who do so again.
Be proud of your self you served your country and should be.

Wobbles,
I can scardely believe you, when you said, "And that's all.
The same could be said for a multitude of illegal activities. Why should this be treated with so much hysteria?"

I only wish it did promote hysteria!

So you put FGM on the same level as, say cock fighting, speeding or DUI, or other illegal actions.

Do you actually realize the FGM involves cutting flesh and organs off little girls, mostly without any aneasthesia. Do you not find that reprehensible or simply the same as driving an unregistered vehicle?

Are you not aware that we hual people before the courts for the offences I have mentioned but this is now the first time anyone has been prosecuted for any offence involving FGM. Our authorities and politicians have turned a blind eye to this since it became unlawfull in 1994. This is a first and a milestone in combating FGM.

I noted in a previous post you said it was only a couple of instances in 15 years. Well you are an ignorant sod. Do you think hospitals set up specialist units for insignificant problems and our government spends millions on education about matters that do not exist.

You badly need a reality check

G'day to you BELLY...

I reckon you and I are from a similar mould, though we probably differ somewhat with our own peculiar brand of political ideology, nevertheless I reckon we're both tarred with the same brush.

And, by reading and absorbing many of your thoughts and opinions, it sounds very much to me, it's blokes like you and your kind, that built this once great nation.

And it's me and my kind, instead of dutifully and conscientiously protecting that, which you and others have built (metaphorically speaking), we've stoodby, ineffectually and impotently, and watched a small group of urban terrorists tear it down, as evidenced by the events that occured in the city, Saturday last !

Further still, ONE UNDER GOD is often, but embarrassingly correct, when he's claimed '...often the coppers are more inclined to jump on the innocent, and let the (real) perpetrators go,'cause it's all too hard for them...'

It's a far easier 'pinch', for the coppers to pick on some law-abiding individual for a misdemeanour. And in so doing, remain both politically correct, and non-controversial !

The job I joined, had at the end of it's title the word 'FORCE', not a 'girls blouse !

As I've said BELLY ad nauseam, I'm jolly glad I'm out of it. I no longer enjoy any pride I once had in either myself, or the job.

Take care of yourself ol' son.

I too think we are a like as I think with Banjo and yabby others too.
Note my politics are different than theirs too.
80% of us, party affiliations do not count, think alike in any case.
Yes OUG has seen the other side, possible contributed to, he tells me he once rode bikes and they drag cops like flys to road kill.
CULTURE thats the word, ex D in my family long dead told me that but it is the same in every job.
Mate do not let it get to you but goggle this threads title.
You will enter a world that is a true nightmare.
Then forced weddings the same result.
Put Islamic hate in to goggle.
you will need a rest after that.
I KNOW we have the blokes to stand tall in our place!
No fears for our future just understanding it is looking black for our country.

Dear Belly,

Did you watch "Q and A," tonight?

An interesting and riveting panel and discussion
all around. Especially the reactions of Muslims
in the audience - one of whom so rightly pointed
out his disgust with the Sydney riots - and the
damage that this has done to the mainstream Muslim
communities in Australia. He also stated that of
nearly close to a million Muslims in Sydney - only
a relative small number gathered at the rally -
which I guess speaks for itself.

As for your concern about the PM staying on for the
next election. I can understand it - however I guess
that's a decision for the Party to make. If they
feel that she's in with a chance at winning - they'll
probably keep her. Mr Abbott's looking less impressive
at the moment - especially since David Marr's
article in, The Age's Good Weekend Magazine on Mr Abbott
which shocked so many of us.

Dear o sung wu,

Thank You for your very kind words. And right back at you!
I find that you and Belly, are both men of integrity - and
even though we may not always agree (which is as it should be),
I enjoy our inter-action.

Dear Poirot,

Much as I love Peter Ustinov - I agree David Suchet is the
definitive Poirot.