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How much more diversity?
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 9:49:07 PM
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Jay Of Melbourne - I will agree with a lot of what you wrote.
My comment re Britain was a bit broad as out of the big cities it is still relatively ethnically free from what is in the big cities. I have no problem with refugees who in moderate numbers come to Australia but I have a problem with welfare for lifers, ones who expect everything for nothing, ones who get here then tell all there mates come see what these idiots give me for free, ones who do not even try to assimilate or learn English. A condition of entry they have to work no more free ride. Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 10:50:56 PM
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Thanks Phillip
We do see assimilation by some younger third world migrants but it's not assimilation into Australian society, they adopt the culture of the American "Ghetto" Negro, even to the extent of mimicking their patois and mannerisms. The pro immigration people seem to believe that because Sudanese or Afghan youths, for example dress and speak like a street person from Detroit that they are "assimilating", it's hard to believe that anyone could be pleased with such an outcome given that American Negroes themselves are in the main scornful of "Ghetto" lifestyle, a sub culture which nobody honestly could be proud of. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 6 September 2012 6:40:27 AM
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WmTrevor asks
"KarlX… Is there fault to be found with further reading? Do you know something we don't?" I don't know much about the article but have enough grounding in psychology to know that if someone starts off with the comment " Dr Salter, who would appear at first glance to be yet another academic pin-up boy of the anti-immigration brigade." He is not likely to be opened minded about the issue Posted by KarlX, Thursday, 6 September 2012 7:50:49 AM
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You misrepresent the nature of my enquiring mind, KarlX.
>>I don't know much about the article but have enough grounding in psychology to know that if someone starts off with the comment "Dr Salter, who would appear at first glance to be yet another academic pin-up boy of the anti-immigration brigade." He is not likely to be opened minded about the issue<< You surely "have enough grounding in psychology to know" that when a poster quotes an academic source in order to kick off a thread designed to show how horrible immigration is, and how it is destroying our society, it is quite possible that those quotes are a) highly selective, and b) a poor reflection on the intent of the academic in question. Clearly, the learned professor has, nolens volens, lent his research to the cause of an opponent of immigration. So it is of some interest, to me at least, to learn whether he is being quoted in context, accurately, and in line with the general thrust of his article. It is not his fault that he has become the latest pin-up boy, in the same way that Kylie Minogue never set out to be a gay icon at the Mardi Gras. Hence my - perfectly reasonable, I think - request to be in a position to debate the source's substance, and not just the sound-bites that drab has chosen for us. Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 6 September 2012 9:25:10 AM
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Pericles says
"it is destroying our society, it is quite possible that those quotes are a) highly selective, and b) a poor reflection on the intent of the academic in question [...] it is of some interest, to me at least, to learn whether he is being quoted in context, accurately, and in line with the general thrust of his article [...] Hence my - perfectly reasonable, I think - request to be in a position to debate the source's substance, and not just the sound-bites that drab has chosen for us" KarlX responds And I might swallow that alibi were it not for the fact that you recently came out of the closet to express your preference for immigrants over locals " Most immigrants are hard-working self-starters, who tend to show up the locals as laid-back loafers" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5277#144565 And have more than once growled down other writers who in your view didn't like foreigners So with those things in mind I cant help but think any research you might conduct on the source would be a fault finding expedition. Posted by KarlX, Thursday, 6 September 2012 12:06:48 PM
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The U.K is not "stuffed" parts of it are, as they say "Broken" due to immigration, what their society does show us is that equality, liberty and fraternity are impossible in "diverse" societies and that the more racially diverse a society becomes the poorer and less just it will be.
Support for multiracial societies has no scientific, moral or economic basis, there is no reason whatsoever for non European
people to be living in Europe, people who far from "enriching" those societies leave them worse off at the end of each day.
Regarding our own country it's always been diverse and multicultural but the problem here is that, as noted above assimilation and civic Nationalism are the bedrock of Australia's take on diversity. We now have increasing numbers of not only unassimilable migrants but of overtly hostile and antagonistic peoples who set about attacking either the society as a whole or single out individual elements within the community.
The problems between Jews and Muslims or between Sunni and Shia, Fundamentalist and Liberal or Chinese vs White Australian cannot be resolved by promoting civic loyalty or "tolerance", listen to the podcast in the link above.
Nobody trusts the state these days, nobody looks to the government or civil service for leadership, nobody trusts journalists or social commentators and absolutely nobody truly believes we are still a Nation, in any sense of the word. We are an atomised society with few common values, few widely held opinions or beliefs and no trust in one another as neighbours or fellow citizens, this cannot be spun as a moral good and obviously the prospects for our future are no longer a cause for hope or a driver of ambition.