The old saying of "we get the government we deserve" is especially true in Australias case, the electorate is pig ignorant in the most part.

Not really sonofgloin

You see the people did not vote for this government, they voted almost equally for the libs and labor, but it's the ind who are to blame, as they have sat back and watched this government go from bad to worse and, appart from a few threats here and there, they have done nothing of what their constitutes would have thought they ought have done.

So much so that I doubt either of these three will see another term in their lives, not to mention the damage they have caused the ind movement. They know this themselves and are just hanging in their for their pension.

If any company board had acted like this government they would have been sacked years ago, as they have ticked all the wrong boxes, lies, mismanagement and wasteful miss use of public funds.

How dare they waste so much on illegals, provide them with so much, yet let some of our own rot in the streets.

It's time we had a better say in where our money goes.

Rehctub>> Not really sonofgloin
You see the people did not vote for this government, they voted almost equally for the libs and labor, but it's the ind who are to blame,
It's time we had a better say in where our money goes.<<

Your too kind in your appraisal Rehctub. I was a little hasty when I described the majority of Aussies as pig ignorant, as that intimates that they are floored due to lack of information rather than the ability to reason and recall past events. “Imbeciles” definitely fit better, somebody with an IQ between 25 and 50 and a mental age of between three and seven years.

Why I say this is because when they ditched Kev he had taken us from a Costello $20 BILLION surplus to a $87 BILLION Kev deficit and when almost 50% of the electorate still voted for Labor and Gillard it was near $100 Billion. It is now nearing $200 BILLION and at least one in three Aussies would vote them in again.

The imbeciles do not understand it is their debt … they have to pay it back. $200 Billion that could have gone on infrastructure and hospitals and childcare and youth training is gone, and what do we have to show for it? Kids boiled to death in roof cavities putting in bloody bats. The BER that delivered $300K value for a $900K outlay to all BUT the private school sector who thankfully were allowed to chose their own contractors rather than having the likes of the recently bankrupt Reid group front up on their door. Shade structures that cost schools $90K pre the BER costing $220K during and the subby who actually did the job got the pre BER rate.

Sadly the average Aussie is an imbecile.

Re the independents, they are not the first to betray their electorate to reap personal revenge on their previous brothers in arms. Oakeshot is a clown blessed by circumstance and Windsor is an old man getting even at any cost. Not to mention the pokie member from Tassie who Gillard shat on.

Butch says, we need more say in where our money goes, but there is no ideas of how this would happen.
I would have thought that is what we have elections for.

579, thats the whole point of this thread.

Did you vote for a carbon tax?

Did you vote for the huge increase in illegals?

I am damned sure those who voted for the independents didn't.

Of cause not, nobody did, they are simply the results of either incompetence, lies, or both, from this government.

So what's next on the agenda for this government, an increase in the GST perhaps, cause let's face it, they can only spend/waste money once, so something must give, especially if mining slows, effecting the MRRT.

Government, or more particularly democracy, is established in order to protect the interests of the people. Whether it is the old kings providing physical security from nearby enemies, the universal church providing spiritual safety from heretical views or democratically elected governments protecting what we see as the most important for us and our families.

The problem we face is that for each of us, we want different things for our families. Some people want protection from their possessions being stolen, others from migrants stealing their children's future jobs, protecting forests, protecting jobs, protecting family values, protecting money, etc. How do we all agree on what is our highest priority? To me, the biggest stumbling-block to us as Australians from having a successful government is our culture of "A fair go". Which to me says, "give me a break and let me do what I want".

It is our culture that stops us from agreeing on parliament because we think that we should have what we want, without providing the means to supply that need. Examples:

Greens want trees to be protected, but (at least in Tasmania) they are not willing or able to provide the means for humans to survive without trees.

The Union movement wants workers to be paid more to work less, but are not willing to support productivity measures or cost cutting to support the wages demanded and business growth.

The Conservative movement wants those who are successful to be able to enjoy that success without having to support the lazy who won't work. But they are not willing, off their own back (outside taxes) to provide for the needs of those who can't earn for themselves.