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General Petraeus as an alternative to Obama?

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http://tarpley.net/2010/08/19/neocon-petraeus-stakes-out-conflict-with-obama/

According to Webster Tarpley the neocons want General Petraeus to be a presidental candidate to replace Obama.They want someone who is more war like,since Obama has balked at attacking Iran.There are reports that Edud Barak is telling close friends that Israel will attack Iran in the near future and draw the USA into a wider conflict.

I cannot see the Democrats winning but Mitt Romney will not stand up against Israel with their aggression towards Iran.

Vladmir Putin has been instrumental in getting the BRICS Nations to get a development bank instigated,to free themselves of the immenent collapse of the US Dollar & EURO.

The neocons have fallen back on their age old solution of war to escape unrest at home and maintain their power bases.The West will not win a conventional war against Russia and China.They have not the moral high ground nor the man power.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 August 2012 3:27:46 AM
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The West will not win a conventional war against Russia and China
Arjay,
What makes you think Russia will not support the West at crunch time ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 12 August 2012 10:02:18 AM
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Individual,China was supposed to roll over in 2008 and allow the Western bankers take control of their financial system like we have done ie debt based system of money creation.They let them in partially but now still create 80% of their money by Govt banks.This is one of the reasons they have growth rates 3-4 times that of the West.This means lower tax for the people and the money stays in China.

Putin recently brought in new regulations on foreign capital and is moving to lessen the influence of Western Bankers with the BRICS Development Bank.

The West is broke,has no productivity,manufacturing and their toxic derivatives have our economies held in ransom.The Oligarch's only solution is war and try and steal wealth like they've done so for many decades.

For Russia/China to come on side with the Western Oligarchs,this means debt slavery which the West is consumed by.They want Iran for two reasons.Oil and take over their independant banking system.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 August 2012 10:47:54 AM
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That is an astute appraisal Arjay, your are excellent at joining the dots. What you said about China is spot on. So much so that Maurice Strong now spends most of his time in China. So the banksters have got their boy (old bastard) Maurice on the ground pushing their agenda, but China has been homogenous and self supporting for ten thousand years and the banksters won't change that.

Funny Arjay, but China is the great white hope for us, one of the only things that stops the military power of the banksters doing whatever they want.
Posted by sonofgloin, Sunday, 12 August 2012 11:41:06 AM
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Thanks sonofgloin.This is why we are in such a dilemma.China our biggest trading partner maintains our living standards while our Govts stay wedded to Wall St and Bankers who are robbing us blind.

If Iceland can go it alone with a new finance system,why cannot Australia? China and Russia are not our enemies.

These Banking/Oil cartels are the grestest threat to world peace and the survival of the planet.

Currently our private banks are borrowing from OS banks who just create money with the click of a computer mouse.Why cannot our RBA do likewise and save us from enormous debt?
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 August 2012 1:43:53 PM
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Arjay,
I think you overestimate China in some ways.

First of all, they are totally dependent on the West for their success. If we stop using them to manufacture our goods on our behalf, they have little left to support themselves.

Despite the outward appearance of a small wealthy minority, most Chinese simply cannot afford to buy the goods they produce for us. Their domestic economy is not the same as their global production.

Either way, if we stop indulging ourselves in buying ever-cheaper consumer goods China would collapse and life in the west would become vastly more expensive.

Economist Ravi Bahtra said decades ago that he believes leadership follows cycles. One age is denoted by the need for disciplined,decisive and authoritarian leadership. We were due for "The Age of the Warrior" when General Shwartzkopf was at his popular peak but declined to run. Perhaps it's due again?
Posted by rache, Sunday, 12 August 2012 2:16:41 PM
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