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'The carbon tax did it'. Oh Yeah

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Luciferase, what are the benefits of a huge tax, on an extremely small omoiitter, in what is a global issue?

Also, what are the benefits on a tax, that is little more than a permit to pollute?

What are the benefits of imposing a tax, knowing it will increase prices, then subsidizing those most effected?

Most importantly, how do you propose we continue to feed the worlds demands, (our lifeblood) and maintain our quality of life, while at the same time reducing omissions?

Would it not make more sense to have an ETS?

Would it not make more sense to invest heavily in carbon storage, by changing the way we build for starters?

Finally, we all know that responsible gambling is the key.

Can you hold your hand on your heart and say this tax, along with the MRRT is not taking a huge gamble with the very thing we can't afford to loose?

Belly, given the average person only pays about $60 per week in GST and, they are saving that in food, clothing and white goods, how can the GST have a greater impact?

Also, the GST does not threaten their jobs.

I can see you as the cheer leader come mid July, sprooking that the sky didn't fall in, then, in a year or two, IF THIS TAX CAUSES DAMAGE finding some convenient excuse, much like the GFC has been used to death.

As I have always maintained, nobody really knows if this tax will hurt, but it's a huge gamble given the way the global scene is at present.

I can't afford to loose mining, can you two?
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 7:02:11 AM
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Rehctub, you asked of Luciferase:

<< …what are the benefits of a huge tax, on an extremely small omoiitter, in what is a global issue?

Also, what are the benefits on a tax, that is little more than a permit to pollute? >>

My answers would be:

1. The benefit as I see it is much more significantly related to peak oil than to climate change. We surely want to develop alternative energy sources given that we are faced with the very high likelihood of the price of oil rising a lot in the near future, due to still rapidly increasing world demand and faltering ability to meet demand.

2. Yes, if the carbon tax were to be left as it will be in a few days’ time and not subjected to successive strengthening, it will amount to a licence to pollute. It will be nothing more than a token effort of very little consequence. What’s the answer? A progressively bigger tax and progressively smaller compensation offsets… perhaps.

Also, you asked:

<< Would it not make more sense to have an ETS? >>

Maybe it would. Or maybe an ETS as well as the CT.

I asked you this recently and didn’t receive an answer:

Wouldn’t there be just the same problems of the sort that you are most concerned with an ETS as with a carbon tax. That is; the negative impacts, in an uneven manner, on businesses of various sorts and on the consumers of everything made by those businesses?
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 8:20:12 AM
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only the worst poluters will pay
so stop whinning..they pay...lol..not us

yeah right..so who of the not 500 worst poluters
[not getting free carbon credits..will pay the most carbon tax?

i suggest those who need lots of lights
or need to keep petrol warm[so you get less]
or those who...need to keep food fresh..or frozen

but we know
ONLY THE 500 WORST..*must pay*

the rest of the mugs
[not the 500]..JUST guilted into thinking their one of the 500

govt dont lie
its only the 500 who pay!

or is she breaking yet another promise?
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 9:39:26 AM
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"The carbon tax is a horse that Abbott can ride all the way to the elections" - To quote Kristina Keneally,

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/gillard-looking-all-the-poorer-for-throwing-money-at-voters-20120619-20m0a.html

Labor has thrown billions of tax payers dollars at lower income in the hope that it will compensate for the carbon tax, but this has hardly registered in the polls. The next 18 months will be death by 1000 cuts as the bad news trickles through. Every price increase, every job loss will be accompanied by speculation as to how much of it was due to the carbon tax and Labor's broken promise. Labor's only defense will be to continually bleat that it isn't that bad and that what consumers are feeling is really from something else. This is never a good look. The revelation on July 1 will be that the voters are no longer listening to labor, and really don't like being lied to.

In 18 months when Federal Labor follows NSW and Queensland to electoral disaster we can all say "The carbon tax did it" Oh Yeah.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 9:54:42 AM
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the power we buy
comes from many sources
and the price they buy varies

like brown coal gets a 90% free credits
so would average out ..WELL below...the present tax rate
when they sell it..to the ex govt distrubution racket

it it wholesale or retail we pay?

like if we use subsiidised coal[free credits]
then must pay STILL pay..full price

aint that double dipping..by someone?
coal; is one tenth the tax
thus tax rate must equal 1/10 th

only the top 500 pay at the set rate!

but watch we will be paying every penny of it
even if they *never paid..for most..of what we actually used..

ie paid to polute
but didnt actually get billed for

but we did
thats clear fraud
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 10:11:37 AM
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just to help govt find the true causes

Even If China
Did Not Fire The First Torpedo At The SS Bernanke,

We Can Still Sink The Ship

By: Chevaux
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160936/Millions-values-pensions-slashed-20-new-EU-rules-send-annuities-plummeting.html


The Chinese just bought the London Metals Exchange... The Chinese just recently bought the AMC movie chain so Hollywood can no longer make any film which the government of China disapproves. Power is shifting away from the West.

This policy of betrayal has continued to this present day. Under Obama Trans-Pacific Partnership will allow transnational corporations to skirt American banking, investment, environmental and labor laws. The laws would still apply to corporations based in the United States to make sure that small businesses go bankrupt.

You do have to admire China. They are buying exchanges, theater chains, oil, gold, silver, commodities, food and farm land.

Meanwhile Ben Bernanke is printing up dollars and will send us all into Hyperinflation soon enough

Millions will see pensions slashed by up to 20%
as new EU rules are set to send annuities plummeting
http://whatreallyhappened.com/


Millions of people..could see the value of their pensions slashed..by up to 20 per cent because of new EU rules.

Those with a £100,000 pension fund could be more than £1,100 per year worse off in retirement because of the reforms, research has shown.

The Solvency II rules, which are due to come into effect in January 2014, will force pension funds to hold a higher proportion of 'safe' Government bonds.

As the bonds -called gilt - have such low rates of return..it will drive down the returns on retirement fund annuities,..which are used to pension income.

grow your own food
stop consuming
starve
http://www.cracked.com/article_19896_the-6-creepiest-lies-food-industry-feeding-you.html
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 10:24:32 AM
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