Dear Lexi, I read the article you gave me, some good points
on the refugees coming in by plane, on fake passports no doubt.

I inquired from Google, some info on the Greens stand on the refugees.
The following sentence is one I copied and pasted from the information that Google came up with and it fits my own understanding of the Greens stand on this issue.

"Nearly10 years ago the Greens condemned the Pacific Solution. We condemn its newest version, the Malaysian solution."

I think the Greens are taking a do-gooder bleeding heart stand on this, because Green is the the old Communist Hippie, we'll share everything and everybody will hold hands and all sing "Kum baya my lord" and there will be peace on earth" It didn't work in the hippie communes experiment and it is utopian and won't work now.

These refugees are running from Tribal Territorial Warfare.
Do we want to set that up here?

The Tamils immigrated to SRI Lanka, and after a couple of hundred
years or so decided to wage a terrorist war Against the SRI Lankian
people for a separate state. In other words they wanted to chop off a large piece of Sri Lanka and take territorial (governmental) control of it. Obviously the SRI Lankian people weren't happy about the idea, as we would not be happy if a large tribe demanded the same thing here. History shows, that is exactly what big tribes do when they fail to integrate.

I don't know what the answer is but I am against turning Australia into a nation of tribes. I have no objection if integration can be
guaranteed. I am talking about inter ethnic marriage not just joining in with eating of different cultural food and dances. The integration has to be a bloodline connection that turns us all into
one big tribe, otherwise eventually you, or rather your children's, children's, children will experience civil war here like they do in these countries these refugees are coming from.
PS I am well aware that the opposition is playing politics on this issue.

Dear CHERFUL,

Thank You for reading the article.

The question of asylum seekers is a complex one
and I dare say that this problem won't
be resolved for quite a few years - no matter
who is in government.

Part of the problem is that many people see our
nationhood as incompatible with diversity.
This is based on an ideology of national culture
where minority cultures
are regarded as alien and a threat to social cohesion.
As a result, the status and behaviour of minority
groups, particularly those who are more visibly
different, are defined and judged with respect to the
dominant group of largely British and Celtic backgrouns.
We have laws in this country that everyone has to obey.
And we are all equal under the law.

Sometimes we need to be reminded of the most fundamental
values of Australian society - our commitment to
justice, egalitarianism and a "fair go" for all.

I can't really comment on the Greens.
I've never voted for them.

I tend to vote for policies rather than parties.

Lexi
Whether or not you get justice in a law court basically depends on who the army supports.
I say this country was taken at the point of a gun and it is still held at the point of a gun,
Because if the army was an entirely different ethnic group who didn’t support the British Westminster system of government then Julia Gillard’s party and Tony Abbot’s opposition wouldn’t be allowed to run the country for a start.

Look what happened in Fiji, when the military took control. People ran to the judges and law Courts to defend their right to a democratic vote. The military immediately shut down the law Courts and disempowered the judges.

In Fiji , there are two big ethnic groups, the indigenous Fijians and the immigrant Indian Fijians. The indigenous Fijians don’t like the idea of losing control of their country at the ballot box
So they staged a military coup.

The United Nations and the law couldn’t stop the slaughter in Rwanda, or Serbia,they only came into Serbia after thousands were killed, so although they stopped it eventually, thousands died in the mean time. The Law and the whole British Army couldn’t stop the IRA in Ireland.
Look at the 14.000 or however many dead in Syria. The United Nations and the threat of War law courts didn’t stop that.

It’s not about not liking diversity, who doesn’t love all the Colour and difference that different immigrants bring here. The problem lies in tribalism
And the eventual violence and war over control of territory(countries)where this kind of non-integration is allowed to exist for long periods of time. Ethnic or tribal groups live tolerantly together as long as there is no territorial threat( lack of abundance) as there is in Europe at the moment, revolutions Can occur very quickly in those situations when people take to the streets.
Lucky for Europe they have some rich friends in the Euro zone to bail them out.

Dear CHERFUL,

We are talking about Australia aren't we?

I have great confidence in our system of
government and frankly cannot see us having
the sort of problems that you are describing
happening here. We are a nation of immigrants
and we've got a very good record of people
settling in. Australia has become home to
thousands of asylum seekers, most of whom had
no option but to leave their countries of origin.

The Displaced Persons Scheme established in 1947
between the Australian Government and the
International Refugee Organisation, saw 170,000
displaced persons arrive in Australia between
1947 and 1951. They were all committed to two years'
labour.

After the fall of Saigon in 1975 the first of the
so-called boat people, desperate refugees in search
of asylum, arrived in Darwin. By the end of 1977
almost 5000 Indo-Chinese refugees had been accepted
into Australia, and the government was prompted to
include a refugee component in its immigration quota.

Since then, refugees from all over the world - have become
acceptable as Australian immigrants.

The question of whether the government should attempt to
increase immigration levels remains a controversial one.
Nevertheless, people continue to come from other
countries and make Australia home, and although
a greater number of Australians are of European descent,
a direct result of Australian immigration policies, the
population is now slowly becoming more representative of the
region.

The diversity of our nation today is one of the most
unique and rewarding aspects of living in Australia.
The nature of being Australian is to be part of this
diversity. The wide and varied gathering of "identities"
is in keeping with the sense of potential and openess that
so many people find on coming here. My parents came to
this country as Displaced People after World War II
running from Communism in Northern Europe. I was born in
Australia and my family feels privileged not only to have
been able to make a home here but also to have found
our own sense of belonging.

Lexi wrote: << The DPS in 1947 .... Saw 170,000 displaced persons arrive in Australia .... They were all committed to 2 year's labour >>

And if the Australian government and it's people had the sense God gave a goat, they would do it again. Not into labour camps per se, but as a means to achieving some of the much needed infrastructure in this country. In return, they get a wage, access to medical care, education and integration. After two years they can choose to leave and move elsewhere in the country or stay on and help others coming in.

If we committed to bringing in 100,000 a year for ten years, we would not only over-fulfill our obligations to the UN and UNHCR, but also gain tremendously. These people who are claiming refugee status are not just farmers and goatherds - many are highly educated and if were smart we would take advantage of this. In addition, while it may not stop the flood of 'illegal' immigrants, all desperate to find a better and more peaceful life, it would certainly go a long way to taking the wind out of the sails of the smugglers.

Now before everyone gets hot and bothered and saying that 'these people' would be taking jobs away from good honest Australians, let me remind you that it would take an awful lot of good honest Australians to oversee such an undertaking - teachers, builders, engineers, doctors, nurses, etc, etc. ergo, two birds with one stone.

And if we weren't such a nation of spiteful 'what's in it for me?' xenophobes, it would work.

Okay. Now you can rant.

scribbler,

"And if we weren't such a nation of spiteful 'what's in it for me?' xenophobes, it would work."

Absolument!