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Posted by one under god, Saturday, 26 May 2012 3:35:50 PM
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Dear Ludwig,
Yabby is right. And, the following link confirms it: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news-no-aussie-job-will-go-overseas-insists-gillard-20120526-1zbeg.html Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 26 May 2012 6:30:50 PM
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Ok Yabby and Lexi. I am pleased that you are confident that Australian workers will definitely get every opportunity first.
Yes, Gillard asserted this today. Good. But crikey, you can’t blame me or Paul Howes or many other people for doubting this would be the case and demanding an absolute assurance that it is. So can we move on to another aspect of this story; the massive size of the Roy Hill project and others in the pipeline. What we really need is an assurance that the enormous wealth generated will be used wisely, to pay off our debts, to train Australia workers and greatly reduce the intake of ‘skilled’ immigrants, direct us towards sustainability, and NOT to just build ever-more infrastructure and services for ever-more people taking us further away from a sustainable future and with no gain for the average person. If this wealth is not going to be used wisely in this sort of a manner, then what’s the point of undertaking these projects at all?? Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 26 May 2012 7:42:31 PM
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*you can’t blame me or Paul Howes*
Ludwig, I certainly don't blame you. For you are a clever botanist. That does not mean that you are well informed or know much about business. None of us can know everything and if I ever wanted to know anything about botany, you would be the bloke to ask. But I don't excuse Howes. At his level of involvement in both politics and the trade union movement, he should be much better informed and has no excuse on this one. Whilst I agree with Belly that Shorten shows some good judgement, I disagree with him about Howe. As to the benefits for Australia. We need to pay our bills if you blokes want to keep leading cushy lifestyles. Note what is happening in Greece, when that is no longer the case. All those workers are paying taxes. They also buy bread, newspapers and all the rest, employing ever more Australians. Companies pay royalties, pay payroll tax, pay income tax and all the rest. That directly benefits you and all other Australians. Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 26 May 2012 8:22:47 PM
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No stronger supporter of the trade union movement lives than me.
And my support for Paul Howe's is as strong. It however is my view, a new way of thinking is called for. No need exists to shout out loud at every chance, to prove we care for workers. Such action brings only those unable to think to our side. America, Germany,in fact much of the developed world, use imported workers. And too target get them in bad times as the problem. 457 visas, are not new, not all as a result of Howard, or for that matter big business failure to train. We can not,even consider, bleeding the workforce from eastern states to do work some will NEVER be suited to. Already great numbers wanting high paid mining jobs, spend far too much, on training that NEVER LEADS TO A JOB. Some politicians shout, dance about, in a show for those they wish to impress. And OUG your thoughts, that one of the most promising ministers in this Parliament is selling us out are uninformed. This Ministers open contempt for the useless lady Gillard is seeing a get square knifing. Ludwig, at least 457 holders return home, in some cases better off for life and do not increase our population. Further benefit? some are rocking Gillards chair, fingers crossed! Posted by Belly, Sunday, 27 May 2012 5:31:14 AM
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May I make a simple suggestion, that being that we need to form a National Register, for all Australians who wish to take up these positions.
They register their interests, state their qualifications, FLUENT ENGLISH SHOULD BE A MUST then the government does their part by offering the training required. Then, once trained, the worker enters into a binding contract where a portion of their wage gets garnished to pay their training skills. And remember, once these skills are obtained, and their contracts fulfilled, they have these skills for life. That has to be a better option than importing workers, many if whom won't even read write or speak our language. Just imagine trying to warn a person of a potential hazard if they don't understand a word you are saying, let alone being unable to read the signs. Also, some of this training must be in a remote location, as it is this remoteness that often kills the ambition, because many today just can't leave their social lives. Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 27 May 2012 7:01:21 AM
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her kids family trust might be
but this is typical of someone
\who thinks all people are darkies..peons/serfs..minions..
she thinks like mr clive palmer..to run fiefdoms..whiole not paying a cent tax
her family trust[like that of most polititions
allows huge crimmal advantages..no tax is the easy way to get rich
maybe we should all get family trusts..hire foreign polititions..cause the ones we got or will soon get..arnt up to measure
they sell off and gave away our commonWEALTH treasure
and too blooming greedy to share the wealth arround
let alone do their other civic duties..and build their own infastructure
then no tax
yep its great
what do i think
i try not too..wouldnt spit on the lot of em
doiuble tax on family trusts
transaction tax on all money transactions
eat the rich