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Carbon Tax Subsidies

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Why would the labour government through all that money away by offering a carbon tax bonus ( subsidy ) to the general public.
In my way of thinking if I was running the country i would put this money towards a new factory who would manufacture solar panels that would be distributed to the households at a much more affordable price. Oh there would be a bonus to the government ...new jobs created.
Posted by My Voice, Friday, 25 May 2012 4:59:50 PM
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Strange view, what send the aged and infirm back to work in your new factory.
Long way to commute for some.
I guess the subsidy to older tax payers over looks the fact they paid for it while at work.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 26 May 2012 3:06:39 PM
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I saw Queenslanders go from huge water users/wasters to conservative water users, with a simple campaign called something lime 140. Day.

So, given that the consumer is the polluter, would it not make more sense to offer rewards for cutting your emissions, which in turn would result in less emissions and no tax.

Better to reward good behavior, than to punish bad behavior, don't you think.

After all, this carbon tax allows polluters to continue to pollute as much as they like, just as long as they pay the tax.,
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 26 May 2012 8:01:23 PM
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<< Why would the labour government through all that money away by offering a carbon tax bonus ( subsidy ) to the general public >>

Because My Voice they need to sweeten the whole thing in the eyes of the voter. Damn pity that is. It has basically skittled the purpose of the carbon tax, and it hasn’t worked – there is resounding hatred of it across the board.

It just goes to show that within our democratic system it is just about impossible to engender change the direction that we’ve got to go – getting off of our addiction to oil and heading towards a sustainable society.

A government that implements policies in this direction, which will necessarily be of some cost to businesses and people in general, is just going to be condemned, and dumped at the next election!
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 26 May 2012 11:46:35 PM
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On that day to come, and it will!
That solid proof comes Climate change is real, and man is playing a roll in it.
We may look back at these things, Abbott's carrying the ball for self interest of the very rich on this issue.
As a puppet of the worst section of American republicans, the repulsive part.
We too may stop pretending the tax to become a trading scheme, is just for Australia.
We may understand the issue is not profiting by taxing.
But one of changing our bad habits, chasing clearer energy,so we can AVOID THE EXTRA COSTS.
And please help us, the Henny penny thought that any saving here is lost in the upper atmosphere, so CHILDISH! yet thrown with a misplaced self confidence at us all.
Ludwig, has mankind's impact on the planets forests had any impact?what are those impacts?
Would we be better for the next century haveing a law demanding we plant two trees for every one we cut down?
Would funds from carbon tax be well spent on such a scheme.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 27 May 2012 5:46:56 AM
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Would we be better for the next century haveing a law demanding we plant two trees for every one we cut down?

Forests are amazing systems.

You see there are dominant trees, which by the way are often the mill logs and, once removed, the sub dominant ones, often several within a hectare, have a huge growth spurt in an effort to become the new dominant tree.

This accelerated growth rate is what captures high amounts of carbon, much more than the dominant tree was capturing.

Then there are trees like Ironbark, which is what I cut on my property.

In the past twelve months I would have harvested at least 200 trees, and every one of them have re-shot, showing strong regrowth.

So I have harvested the captured carbon, by milling the timber, while at the same time accelerated the carbon capture rate due to the accelerated growth of the replacement tree (regrowth).

Trees such as box send many suckers up once a mature tree is removed.

Other species don't regrow and do need replacing.

So harvesting trees is healthy for the forest, however, the unwanted material should be used, rather than being left to rot, as this releases carbon.

So it can be a bit of a miss conception to think we need to replace any trees we take.

As for peak oil, I have no doubt we will find reserves in the future that our present testing methods can't find.

The bottom line is this tax is simply another I'll planned I'll implemented flop from an incompetent government, which is likely to cost us more than it generates.

If only they were finically accountable.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 27 May 2012 6:46:20 AM
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