And what do you think the carbon tax is going to do to you. No doubt the price of baked beans will rise by 25% as Toni says. But his figures are very rubbery.
The carbon tax will come and then things will go quiet like Thompson, and abbott's reliability on the australian news paper, to tell Julia what she said.

One of the objects is to get rid of the coal fired stations. But, they must be replaced in advance, as the jobs of the existing workforce must be replaced, as well as creating a whole lot more for those without currently, and those that will lose theirs as mining slows and increasingly replaces people with remote machines as is already well under way.

Everyone needs food/drink, shelter, medical, transport and legal from their work.

So rather, cradle in the new green industries with no or low tax and other incentives to ensure their viability and once up, tested and reliably able to supply in abundance, then just shut the polluters down in toto and be done with it. Alternatively, there are many ways to tackle this economically and matters about which the public must be engaged. Regrettably, for right or for wrong, this was not afforded to the public in the case of the carbon tax.

But if the *Greens* and *ALP* strong arm the population and increase the price of living for an already over strained base, then they will resent you, and unreasonably punish the Greens along with the ALP, i.m.o.

Aiding this, and notwithstanding the importance of the position that the *Greens* hold in the Senate and the also the independents for that matter, how much of a go with the footy do they really get in the m.s. media? Very little based on my observations which is deplorable.

In the future, the inflamed members of the public at large, consistent with base human behaviour will seek to lay blame.

And, tactically, the likes of the LNP are assisting them to make that decision.

Now, right or wrong doesn't come into this. Sometimes one must lose a battle in order to win the war.

I think you have Milne in one Otokonoko.

A thoroughly nasty bit of work, who, with just a little bit of power, from such small electoral numbers, is going to go mad. She will enforce her nasty ideas on everybody if she possibly can, & be damned to what they may want or dream. God the hair is going to fly in the cat fight between her & Gillard, unless Gillard rolls over & begs.

The sooner we see the back of Milne the better. I have never wanted to dance on the political grave on any of them, but I am getting close with Gillard, & am polishing up my shoes for Milne.

She's about as nasty as they come. I wonder what it is about that funny little island down there that generates so many ratbags? Is it the small population that makes them inflect them on the rest of us in our parliament? Do you think the Kiwis would be silly enough to accept it if we were to give it to them? No I guess not.

I've been reading some interesting articles on Bob
Brown's resignation and one of them
reminded voters that "under Bob's leadership the
Greens have grown from a small band of committed
people with one lone representative in the Senate
into Australia's undisputed 3rd political force."

No small feat by any standards. We're told that
the Greens - "have 10,000 members, many more active
supporters, and 1.7 million voters represented by ten
Federal MPs holding the balance of power in both
houses; advocating for and delivering action to
build a better future for us all."

Impressive.

The Greens "recognise that protecting the environment
is essential to feeding, clothing, and providing a
good quality of life for people everywhere."

Who rationally can argue with that?

Of course ruthless hostility will naturally come from
shock jocks, Big Business and all who favour the
rule of markets over safeguarding of the environment.
No surprises there.

As to what sort of leader Senator Christine Milne will
make? We're told that she is " one of the sharpest
minds in Federal politics in any party... schooled in
the bitter politics of the Tasmanian Forestry debate..."

Sounds like a good choice to replace Bob Brown.

Politics is not about our individual dreams and wishes.
In fact it is not about us.
On polling day voters vote for many different reasons.
Can any tell me straight faced, Dream Ons interpretation of detainees is one shared by most?
Or that even with the mass deaths in one event ,John Howard did not have more for him than against.
Tell me, am I wrong, in saying the 2010 election was a low point for Labor and a high point for greens, any nastiness there? or just truth.
The experiment has failed, Brown departure has marked the high tide mark for greens.
No one, not a single poster has addressed my two claims
1 more dislike and never will vote greens than ever will.
And 12 months in to a conservative government.
After, maybe a DD election puts them FIRMLY in control of both houses.
As they implement a refugee policy, will the greens,the few left, be held accountable for not seeing a less painful policy in place?
Who can tell me, be honest, they ever thought Don Chips Democrats would die.
I say this, look at NSW look at QLD tell me why the greens did not increase in big numbers as Labor was almost destroyed.
Greens are gone.

I've been doing a bit of reading too.

From a Psychiatric text;

But there is in society today a disguised type of narcissism that masks itself in a selfless, compassionate concern for others, yet is really all about fueling the need to feel superior and to exert control and power over others.

This second type of narcissism is more subtle, but equally (if not more so in human history) destructive and dysfunctional as the first [selfish narcissism - RB]. It derives from an aggressive idealism/utopianism which is pursued despite the misery it causes in other people’s lives; and despite the dead bodies it leaves behind. This malignant narcissism is always justified because it is “for your own good”; or, “for the common good”; or, “to make the world and people better.”

Along with the selfish narcissist (whose overt preoccupation is “ME, ME, ME!” and using others for their own aggrandizement and reward), the selfless narcissist (“LOOK AT HOW WONDERFUL I AM FOR MAKING YOU BETTER!”) does not see other people as distinct individuals with needs and desires of their own, but only as fodder for the expression of some IDEAL; or as pawns to achieve the utopian fantasies of their own ideology. And because they think they are the “superior” ones who know what is best for all, if they happen to benefit financially, socially and culturally–all the better! They deserve it for their extraordinary compassion and good works.

People with this malignantly narcissistic defect completely reject the needs of the individual and enslave him or her to the service of their IDEAL. Eventually, the enslavement–whether religious or secular–snuffs out human ambition, confidence, energy, self-esteem, and life. These mindlessly malignant “do-gooders” do far more harm than good and their ideologies can lead to genocidal practices and unbelievable atrocities on a grand scale, all in the name of an IDEAL or GOD.

Says it all about greenies really.