DreamOn,
You claim in your reply to UOG "And to advocate against HomoSexual marriage is to err in my view against the view that JC espoused in his "New Commandment."

Are you advocating from Jesus words [Gk agapae] that we should have sex with whoever and all men? This is certainly not what Jesus taught in the commandment.

Homosexuality is a sex act [Gk pornea] with a person of the same sex as the word "homo" one "sexuality" attraction of - implies in its meaning.

The word love {Gk agapae] he uses has no sexual implication or even marriage implied, which you imply. It means care for all men even enemies.

Try "I believe" when predicating beliefs *Josephus* or it is impossible to take you seriously and that comment was intended more for *Runner* than *OUG* who seems to hold in his beliefs a recognition of what he considers to be the divinity within all of us, perhaps our common human inheritance post the shedding of divine blood, that each of us may have the potential to evolve beyond the limits of the flesh, not just the muddle headed powerless muggles who stand on the "street corners" screaming Jesus.

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Agape as I have read it is a *GodLike UnCoditional Love* indeed as distinct from *Eros* and the other 2 (family and nationalistic Love from memory?)

Thus " Love one another as I Love you."

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Consequently, if 2 Souls come together in Love, whether it be 2 homosexuals or otherwise, to demonise them and relegate them to second class citizens, by means, amongst other things, of refusing to legalise the sanctification of their marriages by the religious organisations who also represent them, is quite clearly not to have love for them.

Rather, some of the homophobes and the bigots would have us believe that they bring abuse and suffering upon themselves for "disobeying" their version of what they believe is god's law which in their prideful foolishness they seek to inflict upon all of us, a fact about which is attested by history.

i recall..in the old testy-ment..
that the exclusion of woman..in ritual..was standard operating procedure....wether that was that womans present...diverted from the practice of loving men...has been speculated..

it seems to hang on
the 'every sperm is sacred' principle
how it relates to good friday...is as much relitive
..as the rest..that jesus taught...

[as opposed to that he definitivly didnt..
;like the flawed..'just war'...[or shock and awe][and/or]

regardless all nuns..i believe
wed the christ..[or wed the god?]
and priests...wed each other?

lets get real..material maters..and spiritual matter's
are each uniquely sepperate...as sepperated as the delusions of death...and 'life'...we are energy being human...from energy we come..to energy we return..

in the end all that matters
is that you found love...better than hate
found helping others..more satisfying than hindering them

found a passion...as the first step
into the bounty of eternity..that lies before us all
once we drop things like sex/race/creed greed gluttony...shame/blame

and the other mortal material entrapments..injurous to self
and worse upon other

passions...usually the result of
the lack of love [agape]...that creates
the hunger for that 'forbidden' missing longed for 'thing'
thoughts seeking the realisation..into material realities..adjudged sin..[by those seeing sin]

jesus loved all
cause he saw no sin
he knows sin..is a judgment call
and only god knows enough to judge fairly[and god dont judge]

to strive to be as the christ
loving all god has chosen to sustain living[cause he knows in the end..we all 'get it'..and better start doing 'it'..[works..not honouring with lips/wurds[talk is cheap..yet by it we sell our souls

but the life spirit..within
that belongs to god...but is gifted to us for eternity

infinite love..dont seek reasoning to hate
but seeks ever more for reason to love
despite the inner urging to purge
the stronger passions

i cant recall...the reason..for beginning this topic
and got offline...as the comments formed

not into any flow
so add more info

from
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=13470&page=0
quote..""As it spreads,..it becomes necessary to define
the various memories of Easter,..even to codify and explain them.

And clearly..there are some differences..in the detail.

Paul refers to Jesus as the Passover lamb,sacrificed for the great Jewish feast of liberation.""

ie saul
[who percicuted him...thoughout his life right?

""This resonates with the account in John's Gospel
that Jesus was crucified..on the day before the Passover,
and so was excluded *..from the feast!

– a poignant scene of rejection
and a powerful image of innocence betrayed.

This theme is echoed in the Hymn to the Risen Christ,..an early piece of church poetry traditionally recited..on Easter Sunday morning.

All three..have a different emphasis..to our traditional story of Good Friday,..."""

lol
as well as their expectations
plus that of non jews...[who couldnt grasp such basic ritual...as jews not eating with unclean hands

[no handwash jars
no eating..not miracle

the insult inherant..in telling serrvants to serve EVEN THE BEST WHINE>>>in a toilet!...[which is what the unclean handwash jars equate!]

one sees miracle
the others servants serving up their best wine to save face
lol i dont care if you give them toilet water...![A MIRACLE]

no habdwash jars..we can feed billions
[all the wished]..as without the RITUAL..they cant
[note the clever sitting arrangment...facing/watching each other!

to report to the high priesty
he is unclean..he didst eat!

which comes from the other Gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke.

They appear to show Jesus..eating the Passover meal
and then being crucified the following day,..Friday;

though they may also be read..as referring to the day before, depending on whose expert commentary you follow.""

see a night PRECEEDS a day
darkness preceeds the light
tomorrow begins with the darkness

[yet the darkness new it not
and flees beore the light]

dawn sepperates
the first night..from the first day

[dawn is when
a black thread...and a white thread..both look grey]

jeasus...came to re-unite the fathers divided house
to simplify...cast out rite/ritual/messenger
that have subverted lives into
so many meaningless fear's

the lie of a day of judgment
and of a 'reserction day....of labling
all skin blemishes as if really 'unclean'

much of the miracle stuff was jesus saying
i see no sin..[your not sick]..i see god..[good]..in you..
see good in me..[seeing you i see him..in seing me see him within us all

dont sort the vile tares from the good wheat
let this be done at harvest[physical death]..but we are eternal spirits

death has no sting
only the useless rites/rituals/blood
..*he is SOOOOO sick of blood!..get it

demons and wild beast..eat mans'fklesh..drink mans blood
it cant drink gods blood..cause good is the good silent voice within

that cries..has delusional; fears
faulse hopes..strict law...lol

but man is eternal spirit
but only briefly in the meat

yes we ARE REBORN..immediatly after we die!
born again christian..is short hand elitism..
for we ALL GET REBORN AGAIN and again and again..A GAIN..!

death where is thy sting
the church stops at the grave side
it should begin there!

tell people the reveal of emmanue-EL
the truth is he rests...in our heart..
in every living thing*

where life is..[any life]
there is he...[supreeme good..god]

to 'be godlike'..it has to be all good
one bad and its of men...[who have leavend the loaf]
depoiled the simple truth...where life/love/logic light is

god is
jesus didnt 'die'
for noone..indeed he died yet he lives

as will you
[recall his promise...'that ye se me do..ye shalt do yet greater'

greater than 'god'[supreem good]
of course not..better cause now its god plus one

one by one
doing a whole lot better*
than just..that one true good [as one]..could alone

rhyme/reason..learn your life lesson

more of the same is a given
till you get it

repeat repeat repeat