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When will we reap those for whom we vote?
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Posted by individual, Monday, 26 March 2012 6:34:31 AM
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a welcome from me too producer
seems your got an interesting mix of comment im against party voting [in a two party system..its obvious we vote for a pig trying to become pork..via the govt trough[a loyal communist party worker who...self amuses[with a self medicant][usually vodka] works when told..and votes when told[then dies quickly once ya work life is over[ya bunch of serfs[peons] party loyalty is treaason to state treason to state hurts voters thats where the state..has failed its reason for creation states arnt there[to comeup with ever more reason to tax us/get compulsory levies from us and serve those like clive palmer..to become bloated jokers asisted by govt malfeasance..building temp/*in-fast/ructure into the desert's pipelines/rail/power dams...pools of polution [in plastic liners] poluted airs waters and soils..[plus by then.. big empty..harbours...great tracts of the reef..made into shipping clearways oh and mining deep sea vents pumping the mining waste polutions..back under the water line that some other mug..will contract to remove one day making the final cash_crop..thanks to govt largess its easy money.. when they listen..to big money wanting govt bailout.. or a seat..at the trough or a policy advantage..over others corpe=rate voices heard indivi-dual voices ignored Posted by one under god, Monday, 26 March 2012 6:54:13 AM
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Hasbeen – Clearly these “ratbags” are not tax payers, are not real bright and do not have the ability to think for themselves. Yes it might be difficult to conceive, they could have a different opinion to you. Stupid or not each individual has a right to an opinion and the right express that stupidity if they desire, as a vote. This system accommodates your opinion (stupid or not) as well. Clearly our system, as well as the Pom’s FPP system contains no stupidity or ratbags. You make a good case for a proportional system.
Individual – A proportional system is a form of an ongoing referendum. It is when everyone in a country can vote with equal say to make a decision about a particular subject. Flat tax could be one of those subjects. Thankyou One Under God – The points you make are I believe symptoms of the existing system combined with a dash of greed and apathy. However the question that needs to be asked is, would the majority of voters (ratbags, stupid or not) support these activities? If they don’t support them they are less likely to exist with a proportional system. Although it’s not impossible it is difficult to achieve a majority in a proportional system. This means that every issue is open to haggling, modification or defeat. The situation that exists in Queensland where a party that has 50% of the vote controls 88% of the seats could not exist. A bit more Python - A caucus meeting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YawagQ6lLrA&feature=related Posted by Producer, Monday, 26 March 2012 8:31:49 AM
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Top marks Producer, you are learning.
No, those ratbags are mostly not tax payers, they are tax spenders. You can not say that giving back a little of the tax payer funds you are paid with is paying tax, it is a "going through the motions exercise" to enable this fool claim you make. Yes you may have noticed, I do suggest many, & perhaps a majority of the ratbags are employed by government. I suppose no one else would have them. There is definitely something about spending your time wasting tax payer money, that generates ratbaggery. Perhaps it is not having to do much for your pay. Nothing like easy come, to encourage easy go. When it is all that easy to come by, it can't be very valuable. They always have some damn fool idea for wasting even more of our money. Please answer the point of NZ & Tasmania. The 2 most dysfunctional governments within many thousands of miles use variations of your suggested systems. The proof is in the pudding. Even the obvious beauty of both places, could not compensate for living with such dysfunction. Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 26 March 2012 11:09:14 AM
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Hasbeen – regarding your first three sentences, can I suggest you read some of the responses I have made in the past to other articles? It will show I am no fan of the parasite.
Both Tasmania and the ACT both use Single Transferable Vote (STV) method of proportional representation. There representation is close to being proportional. They have the ratbags (your terminology) they voted for. My point is the rest of Australia doesn’t have the ratbags they have voted for. Other ratbags have been forced upon them by a system that does not deliver proportionality. Don’t you think right and fair people, for better or worse have the ratbags they voted for? Re: New Zealand’s, Mix Member Proportional MMP system. I happened to be living in NZ (I’m not a Kiwi) at the time MMP was introduced. The system they have now is in my opinion, superior to the one it replaced. NZ has one big issue I believe and it’s called the Treaty of Waitangi. I consider it is this document and its misuse in dividing and manipulating the country, rather than MMP that is at the heart of NZ’s woes. The country is drying out and the river is dropping. I should be back on the property tomorrow. I won’t have as much time for banter until the next big rain. Posted by Producer, Monday, 26 March 2012 9:15:18 PM
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While I agree with what you say, Producer, I see one fundamental problem. To allow the proportions for which you ask, we would have to do away with electoral divisions. While it's true that only a little over 50% of Queenslanders voted for the LNP, the majority - or, at least, the biggest minority - of voters in over 80% of the localities in Queensland wanted the LNP to represent them.
Our current electoral divisions - flawed though they are (at least in my opinion) - allow voters from different parts of the state (or nation) to elect locals to represent them, and to represent local interests. The 3 seats here in Townsville pale in comparison to the 40 (?) in Brisbane, but at least they offer a local voice. To do away with electorates would allow some areas to be completely ignored while others had their say dramatically increased. It would also lead to rather cumbersome ballot papers. Out of interest, where would you plonk your other 8 Katter candidates? In the seats in which his party came second or third in the poll? Please don't. I'm currently typing from a seat that's dangerously close to becoming Katter country ... Posted by Otokonoko, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:23:50 AM
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Belly,
Yes, why don't we do what we do when we want something badly ? let's have a referendum.
And ,let's go for a flat tax at the same time.