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Freedom for all belief?

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right topic/right time

""The link..murder of a 15 year old,..in the name of Witch craft.""

which craft is not a belief
they claim actual works...not faith

see the misstake was in going into be;lief
see within ANY so called BELIEF system..there are manmy 'beliefs'

in christs much divided house alone!
belief ranges from he is mans highest teacher
to he is god..making god..and via the mother of god

and those who love him..cause he claims to be god
to those who..dont drink his blood...or eat his pretend [faux]flesh[or hang his dead corpse..in their house..

and made symbols/ritual/creed..
an holy holy wholy unholy

faulse god
and expectation of a faulse peacemaker

those of the flesh see only the word
not the spirit under the lord word

god lives within
regardless of any others belief
that we do to the least..we do to the most

bothways...
till we enact our belief
its not freedom..if it hurts other

for the laws is
we love good[god]..by loving other,

lief means love
be-loved other

[brother]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 5 March 2012 9:48:21 AM
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OUG I disagree.
While it is clear some want to avoid the subject, no wandering around looking for answers other than truth will do.
My thought was to highlight that case,but even more that it is said ,by the British, to be one of many.
In England!
Zombies and such are known and American slaves introduced some very primitive things.
But if not for PC we could talk of splinters from Christianity and all three core religions.
Many other , and very large, religions exist.
But do rules laid down for us century's ago ever need reviewing.
Have I a nonbeliever, or you a believer, the right to question the tax free rights of great numbers of religion.
Banjo, quite rightly,has the view we play no part in other country's beliefs.
But it is cultures from those country's, bought to Britain, that gave this thread its theme.
Are all beliefs worthy of what I think was born to promote Christianity in our past and maybe stop the three fighting.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 5 March 2012 2:46:12 PM
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Belly,
You said,"And Banjo, well bit breathless, evil is evil, we intrude in other country's a great deal, sometimes by invitation.
Take a closer look, Africa has its hand out for aid and we give, Lybia asked for help the UN came".

Evil is evil? Not in all eyes. I believe FGM is evil, but apparently those practicing it do not. Some muslims think it evil to allow a girl to talk to a boy, we do not. We do not riot about cartoons we do not like.

Yes we intrude into other countries affairs. We should learn to stay out. We helped topple a regime in Iraq and the people rejoiced for a few weeks then started blowing each other up (Sunnis verses Shites) and we then spent the next 10 years trying to keep the peace. Are Iraqis now better off? Will a new regime in Libia be better than the one deposed? Why not interfere in Syria, Nth Korea or Zimbabwi?

No, giving aid for famine or epidemic is one thing, but stay out of their political and internal affairs.

Our emphasis should be on Aus and our citizens.
Posted by Banjo, Monday, 5 March 2012 4:15:57 PM
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Any person may choose any religion they desire as long as the said religion is not extreme in nature where other people are harmed physically or mentally as a direct or indirect response to actions or beliefs that do not agree with the said religion. Also; "one is free to believe what they will (except in violation to the above statement), as long as everyone else has that same right."

and;

"One is free to believe what they will, as long as that belief does not oppress others."

Does this sound like a fair comment?
Posted by ShaunBow, Monday, 5 March 2012 10:17:04 PM
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Belly
I think the simple answer is YES there is room for a variety of beliefs when they do not oppress (as one poster wrote) and which do not contravene the Law. Clearly killing somebody contravenes the law.

Certainly there are examples where some practices should be more formally addressed in this context.

While I am disposed more towards cultural relativism than to universalism (in accommodating or understanding activities in terms of one's beliefs or culture) there is a tendency for cultural relativism to become extreme or radical. This is clearly when ignoring acts which would be considered inhumane, which involve coercion (direct or indirect) and a lack of consent (eg. minors).

On balance most Western democracies are tolerant when compared to other countries where in some, veering from the norm (politically, religiously or culturally) can have dire consequences. Obviously a line has to be drawn somewhere which balances freedoms and other human rights. Not always an easy task.
Posted by pelican, Monday, 5 March 2012 10:45:32 PM
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Pelican I disagree, but must tip toe around the subject.
And I must be aware our *niceness* and tendency to be *Politically Correct* holds us back.
I also*Must* be aware the wealth behind some creeds can do great harm if I name them.
I will watch,only became aware of it yesterday, an ABC documentary named something like God vs the tax man tonight .
I find my self challenged by my own thread.
I personally have watched Xenophon with respect,target two Church's, but Will not name them.
Why.
No coward but this is not my paddock, I have a duty not to damage it.
A question, if not now when, will humanity re look at the damaging beliefs.
Should we, we not some remote African country, the west, have a history of burning women we called Witches.
Pogroms against Jews.
I am among the ranks,unloved but firmly, who are concerned about Muslim separatism in our country.
But it is not my intention to target those three creeds.
It is however to ask are we ready to truly look at why we give tax free status/do we have the right to ask is every creed who gets it,some clearly claiming Christianity, Worthy recipients?
I think not.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 5:35:21 AM
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