Belly,

As you are so obviously ignorant of Maths, coal is an internationally traded commodity, and while prices may vary within a small range, the cost of power generation is not 14x more expensive in Aus. Possible 2x.

The same applies for renewables and Nuclear.

Maybe the Price in the EU of $8/ton is more comparable.

In all cases as 579 mentioned, these will have little to no effect unless it makes alternative generation viable. This is $40/t in Aus, and probably only $20 in China.

you can still here the echo's
how..the focus groups reactions changed
when the buzzwords were first heard...[only 500 will pay]

without naming them
your going to get more
if you can charge more[but only to the 500]

when i get my bill..i will pay it
then start proceedings against the liars
in a group action...by the 5,000.ooo who are paying it
who know they arnt one of the 500

keep spinning deciets...
alp god..has become lap dog
those who lie with dog..have illbegotten fleas

when you stack the cccc rap
it often falls back..on the one's..stacking it too high

only 500?
lol only in ya delusion

its a lie built on lies
sold by fear and pretty lace frills
bonus for you..from the 500..that will bill you too

Ditto here Shadow Minister.
I suspect we come here to swap thoughts opinions and ideas.
To test our verbal combat skills and maybe to out serve those we oppose .
I come also to learn, some links over the years here have helped me grow.
It is , in my mind a bit wrong to ruse conversation with some.
But I have also learned it is time wasting to converse with a concrete wall.
So enjoy.

Belly, as a unionist, you should be very concerned with the recent closure of the hienze factory.

Now, be honest here, do you really think a carbon tax as high as ours will not place further stress on local companies.

Does NZ have one?

Perhaps this will be a trend, after all, NZ is becoming a dumping ground for Chineese imports.

Perhaps the NZ,ers see it as not the right thing, importing cheaper foods from China, perhaps they also realize that moral obligations and wishes don't actually pay the bills.

The Chinese Ministry of Finance has proposed a carbon tax for China, starting at 10 yuan ($US1.59) per tonne, starting in 2016. This is much lower than the Australian and European carbon prices and there appear to be no proposals to move to a market mechanism, as the case with Australia and Europe. However, like Australia, the proposal is to gradually increase the price, to lessen concerns over its effect on economic development. As with Australia, the tax is proposed to be revenue neutral, with other forms of taxes being reduced. I found and translated some of the documents from the Chinese government agencies at: http://blog.tomw.net.au/2012/01/china-carbon-tax-proposed.html

Even at the low starting price, the tax should be enough to see Chinese organizations look at energy saving measures. Many of the students in my course "ICT Sustainability: Assessment and Strategies for a Low Carbon Future" are from China and are very interested in how to reduce electricity use: http://www.tomw.net.au/ict_sustainability/

It might not have occurred to the Idiot greenies, that for many manufacturing businesses, electricity is already a major expense, and much effort already goes into reducing the use as far as possible.

Small ($1.55)changes in the cost of power while increasing expenses do little to change behaviour, Large changes elicit large responses such as moving off shore.