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Professor Ian Plimer: lies, damned lies, and statistics?

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Chinese 2,485 year tree ring study shows natural cycles control climate, temps may cool til 2068

A blockbuster Chinese study of Tibetan tree rings by Liu et al 2011 shows, with detail, that the modern era is a dog-standard normal climate when compared to the last 2,500 years. The temperature, the rate of change — it’s all been seen before. Nothing about the current period is “abnormal”, indeed the current warming period in Tibet can be produced through calculation of cycles. Liu et al do a Fourier analysis on the underlying cycles and do brave predictions as well.

In Tibet, it was about the same temperature on at least four occasions — back in late Roman times (those chariots!), then again in the dark ages (blame the collapse of industry), then in the middle ages (the Vikings?), then in modern times (blame the rise of industry).

Clearly, these climate cycles have nothing to with human civilisation. Their team finds natural cycles of many different lengths are at work: 2-3 years, 100 years, 199 years, 800 years, and 1,324 years. The cold periods are associated with sunspot cycles. What we are not used to seeing are brave scientists willing to publish exact predictions of future temperatures for 100 years that include rises and falls. Apparently, it will cool til 2068, then warm again, though not to the same warmth as 2006 levels. (http://joannenova.com.au/2011/12/chinese-2485-year-tree-ring-study-shows-shows-sun-controls-climate-temps-will-cool-til-2068/)

So why hasn't this fairly obvious type of study been conducted in many locations? Well, alarmist feeding scientists would not have a pay packet, wouldn't that be a shame. Now nearly everyone will have a pay packet that will not go as far.
Posted by Cowboy Joe, Friday, 23 December 2011 10:46:51 AM
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how hard is it to explain why...!
we live in houses..because they hold the heat?

we live in our houses
on a planet..thats warm inside it
heat rises...heat has been escaping
into the deep freeze we call outerspace...for ever
[ever since the hot-lump got ejectulated from the sin[sun]

anyhow bear with me
see a hot coal...in a cigarette
throw away the faaagg...and imagine the small glowing bit at the end

represents our earth
the smoke the heat evaprating into outer space
gone forever...indeed if all that warm..if the heat stopped..
we would freeze to death in an instant..i like warm...[happyness is a warm planet to live on]

warm baby warm
yet in a few years
the cold comes in...or volcanoes block off the sun
meaning all we put into sun power...wont work..for 18 months

2/3 rd will die
because of the guilt your shame
cause you lied..those 2/3rd did..[will]..die

yes its a lie
now they got their tax
let the lie die..till we get a need for the next lie
too the next tax...[heck one teeny salt tax..in india..or a tea tax in usa...and your great parents rioted in the streets

they must feel so proud of you now
lol
Posted by one under god, Friday, 23 December 2011 11:15:56 AM
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OUG,
The so-called lie probably isn't a to the morons because if you really believe something, be it true or false, then it really isn't a lie. The real problem therefore is the stupidity of people not thinking lie or no lie. If you could save your life by telling a lie then you would but if you believed someone's lie & repeated it then you wouldn't be lying, would you ?
The tax supporters fall into this group. Julia only believed what some self-preservation agenda academics told her.
I say let those in favour of the carbon tax pay but leave those who don't, alone. I don't pollute a fraction of what some of the bureaucrats pollute. They can pay, I don't want nor should I pay.
Posted by individual, Friday, 23 December 2011 9:12:37 PM
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but individual
YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY...!

recall
its ONLY 500
who must pay

so lets name them
and hold the debt..restrict any payment of that debt
on them..just them...and if they try to get out of it

sue juliar et'al
for lying!
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 24 December 2011 8:25:17 AM
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its ONLY 500
who must pay.
UOG,
And those 500 refuse to pass on the extra cost ? Yeah, right ! There goes another herd of pink elephants.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 24 December 2011 3:41:28 PM
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Under one god -

"or is it anyone of 20 other global warming gassses doing this warming...why tax only one gas!"

It's general knowledge but for your info, the term "carbon" when used in reference to AGW is a generic one that includes ALL the greenhouses gases.

If you had bothered to keep your eyes, ears and mind open you would have known this.
Posted by wobbles, Saturday, 24 December 2011 3:49:36 PM
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