lexie you mentioned noam chonshy
he was on big ideas a few days ago
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2011/11/29/3378072.htm

i wish they would run one channel
just for replaying big ideas programs all the time...in full

for those who never heard of the guy
watch the clip

he is saying what many need to know

sure he is wtong in a few things
like his cause of jap surrender in ww2
it was the ruskies massing to invade japan..
that they surrenderd to usa

but his naplaming japs..killing 20 million
thats true...[it wasnt people dying from bombs[not even atyom bopmbs
it was that the elites..would loose their illgotten booty to the ruskies]

but heck the rest of his stuff is spot on
and the research has only just been done...[i think i heard that on big ideas too]

Dear Johan (OUG),

Noam Chomsky has always been a bit of a
controversial figure for his outspoken
views. He's raised issues that many were,
and are, not eager to discuss. I'm glad
that you found what he had to say worthwhile.
To me, he's always been a significant
voice in the debates of our times.

i must say
this sounds a grand plan

How Iran Can Collapse All of the Bilderberg Banks and Governments
By: Chevaux
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/how-iran-can-collpase-all-of-the-bilderberg-banks-and-governments/

All the Iranians have to do is to announce the purchase ten billion dollars in silver and ten billion dollars in gold over the next 90 days.

If the Iranians wanted to have fun, they would say they absolutely needed to buy gold because Russia and China will have to publish a gold backed currency after all the other currencies collapse. They will begin by backing the ruble and yuan with gold and fixing their exchange rates.

We do not want to be excluded from world trade. After the dollar, the euro and the pound collapse, we will want to fix our currency to the Russian ruble and the Chinese yuan.

If Americans want to import oil or anything else from overseas, all they will have to do is to buy gold at 2, 3 or 5 thousand dollars an ounce before proceeding with their purchases.

in the light of all the other mess
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

upto and including israel delivering armogeddon
or hoping usa will do it for them
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

i must affirm i like the idea
seeing as my revaluating of coin in line with its traditional values [as if in gold/silver value according to its weight..and average 'market value']

im still peved the bankers and money changers leased it
and sold it into the market....[ie stole it][after they stole the govt banking oversight mechanisms]

its karma
or just adding to the fear/spin
cause they havnt said nuthin

ya gotta watch runours of war
from actual wars

just lok who is doing it globally

its all right let someone else worry about it

Rather than buy gold & silver, buy copper.
It has real value, it can be used to make things.
Gold is too dear to make anything but money, silver also.
However, no matter how bad things get you can make wire, cooking pots,
use it to make bronze etc etc.
The Chinese are buying copper as a store of value at present.

bazz i agree with bying copper [plus nickle]
when i heard a one cent coin contains 5 cents of copper

[i started hoarding them]...

now we hear 5 cents coin
has more that 5 cents worth of nickle in it..i hoard the nickle..

[ok only got a few hundred weight of it..and testing the theory]

see a coin is a promise of value
[over and abouve any real value]

look at a plastic note..[costing less than ten cents in material
yet with 'face values'..of up to one hundred dollars]

thus the real value..of paper is insanely high
and the traditional value of coin..far too low

see traditionally coin
was in gold and silver values
and paper only a promise in value in coin

so inflation deflated the value of the metal coins
and inflated the worthless of the then paper promise in coin

according to the federally constituted governance charter
[the federal constitution]..only gold and silver are legal tender for debt[chapter 5/115]...

ok the gold and silver and copper
have been looted and plunderd from our money
and the historic values..of our coin deflated by colluded thieving

but is morally fair
that the proportuinate values..of the metal coin
versis the plastic..thery are way out of realistic proportions

thus their face values
would need to have two extra 0's added to them
..to bring the real economy..back in line with the virtual economy

coins face values
should represent..their historic values

and the value of notes
should be underwritten..assured...by linking it to something
of consistant value..not able to be thieved through inflation
nor hoarders/investers...wanting to invest in base metal values

but as the current system favours the clever spin
well why the heck chould i hoard paper
when i can hold highly refined metal

thus a one cent coin should equate to one dollar
a five cent piece to five dollars/...etc

but im fine keeping it for its metal content value
because bankers got no concept of face...by deflating our coin-age
they write their own doom..[i refuse to take notes as change..i wanmt my change only in legal tender]

if we all did that
then the bankers would return the fed..back to govt
or go more broke bying the nickle..to mint the coin...who's face values they depleted beyond reason...[they have been untrustworthy overseerers..of our coinage system..thus deserve to loose it]

china russia etc..needs only gold values on face
they can still be only gold coloured nickle

[with true values closer in cupra/nickle
that the 7 cent cost for the 100 dollar bill]

its a a shame people dont know
what the money changers..have done

jesus got it right 2000 years ago
if just his own people could respect that he knew..then
what we know today

well what a wonderfull world it could be