Lexi,

There is an old saying "the proof of the pudding is in the eating"

So far the pacific solution worked spectacularly well, and the Malaysian solution was in trouble from the day it was announced.

Juliar's version of co operation and compromise is that the coalition must accede to its policy 100% for example:

The coalition was invited to the climate change committee only if it agreed to the prearranged outcome.

The coalition was invited to the tax summit only if it agreed not to discuss only Labor's agenda.

Etc.

The Coalition has offered Labor 90% of what it needs, but because it cannot get everything it wants, Labor throws a hissy fit and trashes it all.

Compromise is not about getting everything you want, but getting the most you can to benefit the country. The coalition's amendment would allow a people swap agreement with the majority of countries in the world, and even Malaysia if it signed up.

SM,

We've covered this ground to extinction.
I don't accept your point of view and
obviously it is reciprocal. Therefore
I don't see any further point in
pursuing this topic with you.
You are again only repeating your party's
take on things and I don't want to keep
repeating myself by arguing with you because
I've learned from previous experience that
nothing constructive is achieved.

All our arguments will not change a thing.
We can only hope that possibly under new
leaderships on both sides - intelligence
will prevail.

I heard that Greens senator lady speaking on TV last night about how
to get the boat people here safely.
I suspect from her comments that it will not be long before they
suggest that we send a ship to an Indonesian port to pick them up and
take them to Christmas Island.
What she was saying left only that as a logical solution.

Belly, you have it wrong.
The coalition's policy was ANY UNHCR approved country.
It gave the govt the opportunity to make arrangements with anywhere
that the greens approved, whether the coalition liked the choice or not.

Lexi can see that, which is why she has withdrawn from the discussion.

Lexi and other "Deniers" claim that the pacific solution won't work in spite of the seven years of spectacular success. Their evidence is the opinion of a government employee reporting to the minister that things have drastically changed in the last 3 years. Pull the other leg. I know you would prefer the years 2001 to 2008 not to have happened, but they did.

Labor 3 years ago were claiming that there were no pull factors, and that dismantling the pacific solution would have little impact. Now they are eating crow, and the only reason that they are fabricating this fantasy that the pacific solution won't work this time is that they will have to admit that they were 100% wrong, and that the Labor party has blood on its hands and indirectly responsible for the lifeless bodies of women and children that they claimed to treat more humanely, and the thousands of people including children in detention.

Juliar should hang her head in shame and offer an apology to the families of Labor's victims.

Those reading this thread in the future.
After many elections and long after the death of the Australian sub branch of the American Republican Tea party.
Abbott's version of Liberalism, think kindly of Shadow Minister.
Forgive him, he knows not what he does.
Yes heard those words some place.
But yes, this very day every question this lost ship in an Sea it has polluted, ended every question with such words, Labor should be ashamed.
You future reader, will see with 20/20 vision aided by hindsight, indeed it may be the reason you come here, to research how a party, could manufacture, its own Bermuda Triangle?
You Will know by your time, like a dog burying a bone, your Liberals will try to avoid all reference to my today,look at the ground and shuffle their feet at the thought.
Thankfully I know, by then a return to Liberalism will have long ago wiped away these dark days.
that while highlighting Labors wrongs,and plenty existed,Liberals became entrenched followers of a man unfit to sweep the floors at the local pub.
From my view here in your past I thank you,for being part of bringing a very bad time for Australian politics to an end.
I am assured and rest easy for it, Australians while falling for Abbott foolishness woke up in time.